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Almost every medication that involves altering mental processes (anti-depressants, anti-anxiety, i believe even my ADHD meds) has a warning of "suicidal thoughts."

The FDA requires medications to list any and all side effects that may occur in conjunction with a medicine. Many times, those suicidal thoughts cannot be directly linked to the medication.

Think about it. If you are struggling with one of these problems enough in order to have to be medicated, you possibly are already on the brink of being suicidal to start with, and because of medication altering brain processes, you may be pushed into that realm of thinking when you hadn't been there previously.

I had to take an acne medication in high school known as Accutane. One of the side effects of this was suicidal thoughts, and I actually had to take an anti-depressant with the medication to try to alleviate this. Accutane is saved for people who have severe acne for long periods of time. Don't you think you'd have low self-esteem and be depressed if that was the case?

So I think the question here is causality. Did that make any sense?

~Marti

It is odd, but it's the nature of medicating yourself. It's like those medicines that fix problem A but has side effects B-H.

I am not a fan of any thought-altering or behavior-altering medication for any reason whatsoever. Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.

I am not a fan of any thought-altering or behavior-altering medication for any reason whatsoever. Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.

Pol you have no idea what those drugs can do. Ileagl drugs are MUCH worse.

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Quote from: Minister Polarius on June 02, 2010, 02:32:45 AM

I am not a fan of any thought-altering or behavior-altering medication for any reason whatsoever. Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.

Pol you have no idea what those drugs can do. Ileagl drugs are MUCH worse.

Do you have any idea of what they can do? Just think of Marijuana. No one ever dies from that (although yes, it is the infamous gateway drug). And yet people can easily die from prescription medication in wrong doses.

Look at Meth or pure heroin They kill people every day I know MUCH more on this subject than you think. But i do not wish to talk about it.

Dude, RED, way to go. While we're at it, let's talk about dusting and jenkem. Of course two of the hardest illegal drugs are worse for your than prescription meds, I was talking about the mild stuff like cannabis or shrooms. But my point wasn't that illegal drugs are good, my point is that mood/thought-altering prescription meds are very bad.

Statistics and/or backing information for this statement please.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/gen008.htm
http://www.electricemperor.com/enter/how.html

Look at Meth or pure heroin They kill people every day I know MUCH more on this subject than you think. But i do not wish to talk about it.

Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.

Emphasis mine.

Of course two of the hardest illegal drugs are worse for your than prescription meds, I was talking about the mild stuff like cannabis or shrooms. But my point wasn't that illegal drugs are good, my point is that mood/thought-altering prescription meds are very bad.

Yes, I'm not trying to argue that Marijuana is good. Many prescription drugs are just worse.

Sheesh, RED, you just aren't getting it.

Hey,

I am not a fan of any thought-altering or behavior-altering medication for any reason whatsoever. Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.

So if someone had a physical abnormality would you be opposed to them having cosmetic surgery to appear more normal?

I prefer to think of anti-depressants and similar medications as helping an individual to control their thoughts and behaviors rather than altering the thoughts and behaviors for the person.

I believe doctors do give out more prescriptions for mental illnesses than they should.  I also believe (and have witnessed) that medication for mental illness can have a very significant beneficial effect.

I'm not really a fan of anti-depressants (even in some cases where they seem beneficial), but I do believe there are situations where taking them is in the best interests of all parties involved.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

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I prefer to think of anti-depressants and similar medications as helping an individual to control their thoughts and behaviors rather than altering the thoughts and behaviors for the person.

The Holy Spirit called. He wants his job back.

I'm not a huge fan of anti-depressant medication either, and that was a funny response.  But let's look for a moment at what you're saying.  What if someone said that casts were helping an individual to protect their leg bone while it was healing.  The Lord is our fortress and strong tower who protects us, so you could make the same humorous comment about a cast.  What if someone was missing legs, and used a wheelchair to get around.  In the Lord we live and move and have our being.  He lifts us up on wings as eagles, so you could make the same humorous comment about paraplegics.

But obviously there are times when people need casts and wheelchairs.  And using those things do not mean that people aren't still trusting God to take care of their needs.  So don't you think it's possible that some people could have issues dealing with the chemicals in their brains that cause them to need medication to resolve those imbalances?  I think that Christians should be more careful to not spiritualize mental or emotional problems (caused by things they can't see) any more than they spiritualize physical ones (caused by things that they can see).

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on June 04, 2010, 12:10:38 AM

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I prefer to think of anti-depressants and similar medications as helping an individual to control their thoughts and behaviors rather than altering the thoughts and behaviors for the person.

The Holy Spirit called. He wants his job back.

I'm not a huge fan of anti-depressant medication either, and that was a funny response.  But let's look for a moment at what you're saying.  What if someone said that casts were helping an individual to protect their leg bone while it was healing.  The Lord is our fortress and strong tower who protects us, so you could make the same humorous comment about a cast.  What if someone was missing legs, and used a wheelchair to get around.  In the Lord we live and move and have our being.  He lifts us up on wings as eagles, so you could make the same humorous comment about paraplegics.

But obviously there are times when people need casts and wheelchairs.  And using those things do not mean that people aren't still trusting God to take care of their needs.  So don't you think it's possible that some people could have issues dealing with the chemicals in their brains that cause them to need medication to resolve those imbalances?  I think that Christians should be more careful to not spiritualize mental or emotional problems (caused by things they can't see) any more than they spiritualize physical ones (caused by things that they can see).

I'm not downplaying the medical field but Anti-Depressants, God gives us his JOY doesn't he? That doesn't mean that we don't get depressed but we should rely on God not drugs imo. (Then again, I've seen the ill-effects these have on my friends so I am a bit biased)

I think we should avoid anti-depressant drugs the same way we should avoid alcohol. Anything that changes the way our brain functions is dangerous.