Author Topic: AllTime Football Team (Read 5310 times)

bmc25 · « **on:** November 28, 2009, 12:57:43 PM »

Put together what you think would make the best football team taking players from the history of the nfl.

QB1-Joe Montana
Rb-Jim Brown
Rb2-Barry Sanders
FB-Bo Jackson "I know he was a RB
WR1-Jerry Rice
WR2-Randy Moss
Wr3-Terrell Owens
Te-Tony Gonzalez
KR/PR- Gale Sayers
K-Adam Vinitari sp? "I'm going with clutch"
85 Bears defense

Who I'd want on my bench

QB-Manning
RB-Walter payton

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #1 on:** November 28, 2009, 02:24:35 PM »

QB- Johnny Unitas
RB- Barry Sanders
RB- Earl Campbell
WR- Jerry Rice
WR- Steve Largent
WR- John Stallworth
TE- Ozzie Newsome
KR/PR- Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
K- Adam Vinatieri

I'll have to post my O-line and Defense later. I have to go to work.

Sean · « **Reply #2 on:** November 28, 2009, 03:26:52 PM »

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Wr3-Terrell Owens

My QB would have to be John Elway. Had a huge gun arm, ability to run, accuracy, and late game heroics.
For my RBs I'm gonna have to go with Emmit Smith and Jim Brown.
My WRs I have to start with Jerry Rice. Randy Moss for the burner and Lynn Swan to round it out.
My TE is a close call between Kellen Winslow Sr. and Tony Gonzalez. I'm gonna go with Gonzalez.
Place kicker I'd go with Vinatieri as well. For punter I'm gonna go with Matt Turk who played for the Redskins for a few years and frequently had 50+ yard punts, he had a ridiculous leg.
I don't know much about the O-line but I think it'd be hard to not pick Orlando Pace and Larry Allen. Both of those guys have played for a long time at a high level for their respective teams.

For CB I have to go with my man from Texas, Darrel Green. Running down the ball on that big return and then returning that epic kick for a TD, not to mention the fact that he was a shut down corner for 18 years. He's probably still faster than 90% of the guys in the league. For the other side I'm going to go with Mel Blount who played on 4 Steelers Super Bowl teams.
For my safeties I'm going to go back to Pittsburgh for Ronnie Lott and then down to Baltimore for Ed Reed.
For the Linebackers I've got to go with Lawrence Taylor and dork Butkus, I mean how do you not take the guys who have the awards named after them? Then I'll take Ray Lewis to round it out.
For the down lineman I'm going to go with Reggie White, Joe Green, Warren Sapp, and Bruce Smith.

For a recap I've got:

QB: John Elway
RB: Emmit Smith and Jim Brown
WR: Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Lynn Swan
TE: Tony Gonzalez
K: Vinatieri and Turk
O-Line: Orlando Pace and Larry Allen

CB: Darrel Green and Mel Blount
S: Ronnie Lott and Ed Reed
LB: LT, Butkus, and Ray Lewis
D-Line: Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Warren Sapp, and Joe Green

STAMP · « **Reply #3 on:** November 28, 2009, 05:31:15 PM »

Starters in bold:

QB - Joe Montana, Tom Brady
RB - Barry Sanders, Red Grange, Walter Payton
FB - Jim Brown, Larry Csonka
WR - Jerry Rice, Don Hutson, Larry Fitzgerald, Lynn Swann
TE - John Mackey, Kellen Winslow
C - Jim Otto, Randy Cross
G - John Hannah, Gene Upshaw, Bruce Matthews
T - Art Shell, Anthony Munoz, Forrest Gregg

DE - Deacon Jones, Bruce Smith, Carl Eller
DT - Alan Page, Joe Greene, Reggie White
ILB - dork Butkus, Mike Singletary, Ray Lewis
OLB - Lawrence Taylor, Charles Haley, Ted Hendricks
CB - Night Train Lane, Mel Blount, Deion Sanders
S - Ronnie Lott, Paul Krause, Sammy Baugh

K - Morten Anderson
P - Ray Guy

lightningninja · « **Reply #4 on:** November 28, 2009, 05:58:42 PM »

Starters in Bold.

QB -- Brett Favre (big surprise, eh?)

, John Elway
RB1 -- Bo Jackson
RB2 -- Barry Sander (this is really though as I LOVE Adrian Peterson), Adrian Peterson, OJ Simpson
FB -- I actually don't know about this one.
WR1 -- Jerry Rice (big surprise, eh?)

WR2 -- Lynn Swan
WR3 -- Donald Driver
WR4 -- Marvin Harrison, Terrel Owens, James Loften, Randy Moss
TE -- Tony Gonzalez, Shannon Sharpe
PR/KR -- Dante Hall
Kicker -- Adam Vinatieri, Ryan Longwel
Defense -- Current Steelers, 1998 Packers

Stamp... Tom Brady as #2 makes me sick.

Yeah, Bo Jackson. Anyone who disagrees needs to watch highlights... what an animal! Brett Favre is obvious cause he's the best even at 40.

Donald Driver isn't just because he's a Packer. I think he's an amazing player. Absolutely.

bmc25 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 28, 2009, 08:37:25 PM »

MathTeacher-unitas? no thankz! but Earl Campbell is a great choice

Sean-What is wrong with TO? dude is tuff and fast in his prime he deserves this spot. Emmit Smith over Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Bo jackson, marshall Falk, sayers how can you? I luv ur defensive picks! That D wouldn't give up over 100 yards against the saints.

Stamp-Brady? no not over elway, marino, farve, steve young, also Fitzgerald!? over moss? moss in his prime could jump higher run faster and was tuffer, heck moss right now ain't bad either. Love the defense, between sanders and night train there would be a lot of pics.

Ninja-love the Jackson choice "see my FB", you must be a HUGE packers fan to even trick urself into thinking Donald Driver should be mentioned in the same breath as Randy moss, Terrell Owens, Marrvin harrison if he touched it he caugh it

!Adrian Peterson is good is very good but he is not better than Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Earl Campbell, Emmit Smith, Marshal Faulk, or Chris Johnson

Also the current steelers defence? really? Dante Hall<Devin Hester< Gale Sayers

Thankz everyone for posting, fun to see what everyone thought

All in all I noticed a lot of ?Barry Sanders and Jerry Rice was #1 wr on all teams "duh" Bo Jackson it was nice to see him get his do. Also i noticed that Moss and Owens are considered a lot.

STAMP · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2009, 11:37:49 AM »

Some comments:

Tom Brady: There is no other QB who is a winner like Brady, other than Montana, Bart Starr and Terry Bradshaw. It's all about winning championships.

Fitzgerald: Larry has put himself in the same echelon as Rice, Hutson and Swann. No other receivers go up after a ball like those four. It's as if they have to catch the ball or they'll die. Their concentration is quintessential and they give 100%. They're selfless, team players. Moss, Owens, Harrison, et al only wish they could join that club. Lance Alworth's application is soon to be approved.

Earl Campbell: The Tyler Rose was better than any RB that's been listed in his first three seasons. Better than Brown. Better than Sanders. Better than Bo. He came close to making my team.

Favre/Elway/~~Marino~~: These QBs are awesome, don't get me wrong. But I put Starr and Bradshaw ahead of them. Favre has only won one championship so far. Elway won two only because of Davis and Shanahan. He flamed out big time in the three others. (I'm really not sure why I put Marino in there.)

Largent/Biletnikoff: If I absolutely needed a first down, these are the guys to do it.

KR/PR: There have been some good ones but if I had my druthers I would just use one of my star backups on my bench. Also, my kick and punt coverage teams would inlcude many of the defenders on my team. Can you imagine the likes Butkus, Lewis, Lott, Lane and Blount roaring down the field ready to smash their returner into oblivion?

Sean · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2009, 12:07:54 PM »

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What is wrong with TO? dude is tuff and fast in his prime he deserves this spot.

Seriously? TO is the king of dropped passes. The only reason he even has good numbers is because he has had a long carrier. Did you not see him play alongside Jerry Rice? He wasn't even close to Rice in any area of the game and that was when Rice was on the down turn. There are more WRs that outclass TO in skill and character than there are stars in the sky.

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Emmit Smith over Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Bo jackson, marshall Falk, sayers how can you?

Bo and Faulk, easily. I took Emmit over the others because he played longer with better numbers and better success than both. He is the all time leading rusher you know. I also don't recall the others playing with broken bones or dislocated ones, I forget which.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** November 29, 2009, 12:14:01 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on November 29, 2009, 11:37:49 AM

It's all about winning championships.

This must only apply to QBs since Barry Sanders was not part of many championships.

Quote from: jasonbourne on November 28, 2009, 08:37:25 PM

MathTeacher-unitas? no thankz!

I'm assuming that you have not heard much about Unitas for you to dismiss him so easily. To some he is the greatest QB of all time, but he is without question the best of his era. His accomplishments are lost somewhat since he played his best years before the merger, but a quick list:

1. 47 consecutive games with a touchdown
2. 3 championships
3. 3 MVPs
4. 40,000+ total yards while playing in 12-game seasons

Long before Brett Favre, the "old man" Unitas was putting up big numbers against the NFL's best late in his career. He even came off the bench (after being injured all season) to relieve Earl Morrall, who was ineffective against Joe Namath's Jets in their ill-fated Super Bowl, to lead the Colts on a late scoring drive.

As much as everyone likes numbers, numbers still have to be put into perspective. Unitas has great numbers even for today, yet his season was shorter. If you ever get to see any old film clips of his playing, you might just be impressed by his fluid (seemingly effortless) delivery, pinpoint accuracy, and superior leadership.

He may not be everyone's top choice, but he certainly should not be so easily dismissed.

crustpope · « **Reply #9 on:** November 29, 2009, 05:29:43 PM »

Starters in bold:

QB - Joe Montana, Peyton Manning
RB - Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson
FB - Jim Brown, Larry Csonka
WR - Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Lynn Swann
TE - Kellen Winslow, Tony Gonzalez
C - Jim Ringo, Mike Webster
G - John Hannah, Larry Little, Gene Upshaw
T - Art Shell, Anthony Munoz, Dan Dierdorf

DE - Deacon Jones, Reggie White, Bruce Smith
DT - Alan Page, Joe Greene, Merlin Olson
ILB - Mike Singletary, dork Butkus, Ray Lewis
OLB - Lawrence Taylor, Junior Seau, Jack Lambert
CB - Champ Bailey, Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders
S - Ronnie Lott, Ken Houston, Paul Krause

K - Adam Viniteri
P - Ray Guy

I borrowed ~~YMT's~~ STAMPS (oops! sorry)formatt largely because I liked many of his picks as well. Some I dissagreed with and others I shuffled in some different starters but this is close to what he chose as well. I agree that Championships matter because the guys who win are the guys who get it done when it counts. While I believe Manning to be statistically, the best QB ever, I cannot argue that Montana gets my nod because he gets it done in the championships. Same with my decision to start Payton over sanders although I believe Sanders to be the better running back.

Most of the others are self explanitory....

Foor kicker I went with Vinitari because of the Championships, athough Andersen was a great choice as well

and for Punter...Ray Guy Hands down. The ONLY punter to be selected in the first round of the draft...ever..

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #10 on:** November 29, 2009, 06:47:03 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on November 29, 2009, 05:29:43 PM

I borrowed YMT's formatt largely because I liked many of his picks as well.

That was STAMP's format.

I never got to finish my list, but I really don't have time to ponder. I will just add what I consider my obvious choices:

P- Ray Guy (I agree with Crustpope. There is no equivalent)
OL- John Hannah
OL- Orando Pace
OL- Dan Dierdorf
LB- Sam Huff
LB- Lawrence Taylor
CB- Deion Sanders
S- Kenny Easley
DL- Ed "Too Tall" Jones
DL- Bruce Smith

bmc25 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 29, 2009, 07:00:24 PM »

yourmathteacher-good argument, point taken "still keeping Montana though"

Sean-8 double digit td years, though i think he has a huge dropsy issue. After further review emmit smith= underrated! two 20 td seasons convinced me

stamp-Fitzgerald is Randy moss lite, shorter, slower and doesn't jump as high. moss doesn't always give a 100%. but 100% moss > 110% Larry. a 49 catch 13 td season. Moss is easily a top 5 alltime wr. no one scores like he does, cept Rice. moss averages over 12 td's a year, fitzgerald has only scored 12 once in 5 seasons. if you want to say itz cause he has only played a few seasons moss rookie season looked like this 69 catches 17 td's avg.19 yds a catch 1313 yards. Fitzgerald dreams of being moss. btw harrison is a team player

stamp-good qb argument, glad u didnt fall for elway the way some do

lightningninja · « **Reply #12 on:** November 29, 2009, 10:31:13 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on November 28, 2009, 05:31:15 PM

QB - Joe Montana, Tom Brady
WR - Jerry Rice, Don Hutson, Larry Fitzgerald, Lynn Swann

I thought it was funny that you have Tom Brady with these receivers, considering most of those are deep threats. Tom Brady goes games without a pass over 20 yards.

@Jasonbourne, yeah, I'd put jackson in a sprint against Reggie Bush and a strength contest against Reggie White and I bet he'd beat them both. I am a Packers fan... but Driver is awesome. You can always rely on him to catch the ball (TO drops it), and his yards after the carry are great. He shows a lot of effort. Also, Aaron Rodgers is the second highest sacked QB in football right now and yet Driver gets at least 3 good catches EVERY game. Like I said, he's reliable. Randy Moss has a bad attitude I wouldn't want him on my A-team unless I had to. Also, I think AP is definitely better than Earl Campbell, Jim Brown and Chris Johnson. At least let Chris Johnson have one more good season to count him in on that. Peterson has been on top for 3 years now. He's outdone by yards but still has touchdowns. Also keep in mind that no running back is gonna get the yards Chris Johnson has when Brett Favre is your quarterback. I really wasn't sure about defense but sure, I'll take Steelers.

Although I think maybe 1998 Packers would be better.

STAMP · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2009, 11:32:12 AM »

Quote from: lightningninja on November 29, 2009, 10:31:13 PM

Also, I think AP is definitely better than Earl Campbell, Jim Brown and Chris Johnson.

Do you still feel that way?

At least TO is feeling better about not having the most drops this past week. AP would be great...if he just hung onto the ball.

lightningninja · « **Reply #14 on:** December 01, 2009, 12:39:30 AM »

I didn't see his performance... did he fumble a lot again? But yes, he's still my number #1 currently, and I'd still put him above the names I mentioned. Keep in mind this is his third year, putting him as a possible second all-time choice is partly due to expectations. He's gonna get better I think. Especially when Favre leaves and he can shine.

The Guardian · « **Reply #15 on:** December 01, 2009, 01:47:16 AM »

Crustpope, thank you for giving some love to one of the most clutch WRs of all time in Cris Carter. Was there anyone better at making a crucial third-down catch or making a seemingly impossible catch on the sideline/back of end zone?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #16 on:** December 01, 2009, 03:13:31 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on December 01, 2009, 01:47:16 AM

Was there anyone better at making a crucial third-down catch or making a seemingly impossible catch on the sideline/back of end zone?

Stanley Morgan

The Schaef · « **Reply #17 on:** December 01, 2009, 08:20:22 AM »

I'm not going to submit my own selections here, but just note that since every person so far who's selected defensive linemen have selected Bruce Smith, I will trust my brethren to fill out these lists accurately.

STAMP · « **Reply #18 on:** December 01, 2009, 09:41:46 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 01, 2009, 03:13:31 AM

Quote from: The Guardian on December 01, 2009, 01:47:16 AM
Was there anyone better at making a crucial third-down catch or making a seemingly impossible catch on the sideline/back of end zone?

Stanley Morgan

...and

Fred Biletnikoff

...and

Steve Largent

...and

Lance Alworth

crustpope · « **Reply #19 on:** December 01, 2009, 10:16:45 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on December 01, 2009, 01:47:16 AM

Crustpope, thank you for giving some love to one of the most clutch WRs of all time in Cris Carter. Was there anyone better at making a crucial third-down catch or making a seemingly impossible catch on the sideline/back of end zone?

I just think Carter was Moss before Moss was Moss. I loved watching him play...

That and he went to HS about 15 minutes from where I live now..

The Guardian · « **Reply #20 on:** December 01, 2009, 06:43:29 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 01, 2009, 03:13:31 AM

Quote from: The Guardian on December 01, 2009, 01:47:16 AM
Was there anyone better at making a crucial third-down catch or making a seemingly impossible catch on the sideline/back of end zone?

Stanley Morgan

If he was that good, why isn't he in the Hall of Fame?

STAMP · « **Reply #21 on:** December 01, 2009, 06:59:19 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on December 01, 2009, 06:43:29 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 01, 2009, 03:13:31 AM
Quote from: The Guardian on December 01, 2009, 01:47:16 AM
Was there anyone better at making a crucial third-down catch or making a seemingly impossible catch on the sideline/back of end zone?

Stanley Morgan

If he was that good, why isn't he in the Hall of Fame?

I'm guessing most voters just thought it was the global financial services firm, and was being used to make sure they were paying attention when voting.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #22 on:** December 01, 2009, 08:42:50 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on December 01, 2009, 06:43:29 PM

If he was that good, why isn't he in the Hall of Fame?

Because Steve Grogan was his QB.

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