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STAMP · « **Reply #100 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:28:15 PM »

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 24, 2009, 06:25:07 PM

hate A-Fraud...he is a jerk haha

Fixed.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #101 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:29:59 PM »

I don't know why people are hating on Arod. Sure, he cheated, but he admitted it. Lots of players have cheated, but it seems that fans don't care about the fact Ruth, Aaron, Cobb, Mays, etc cheated. They only care if Clemens, Arod, Manny, or Mantle EDIT: FORGOT BONDS cheated.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #102 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:31:20 PM »

Well I agree with the boston part...but its been awhile for the yankees!

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on August 24, 2009, 06:26:53 PM

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 24, 2009, 06:25:07 PM
he is very solid defensively!
Please tell me that smiley was showing sarcasm...

It was showing that what I was saying was not with anger haha...I was very serious about his defense. He is a 3-time Gold Glove winner...enough said.

Quote from: STAMP on August 24, 2009, 06:28:15 PM

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 24, 2009, 06:25:07 PM
hate A-Fraud...he is a jerk haha

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haha...I like him because he is good and helps the yankees but he is a jerk...demanding 10 million more on top of his already ridiculous 25 million was just absurd. And his reasoning being he wants to be paid like the best batter ever would be paid (even though pujols currently is better).

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #103 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:34:54 PM »

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 24, 2009, 06:31:20 PM

He is a 3-time Gold Glove winner...enough said.

Jeter is possibly the worst defensive shortstop playing right now. His UZR is probably -50, which is just awful.

Believe it or not, Gold Glove is an offensive award. I know it doesn't make sense, but look back on the past gold glove winners. The other candidates often have a solid defense (better), but the winner was batting better.

EDIT: Here is another example. Rafael Palmeiro won a gold glove in the year he played about 20 GAMES.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #104 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:37:42 PM »

So you will probably say Jack Wilson is poor defensively, Derek Lee is poor defensively, Freddy Sanchez is poor defensively...there is just no winning with you. I bet you are the only person I will ever know who thinks Jeter is awful defensively. You are just so biased against the Yankees methinks...

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #105 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:39:48 PM »

I'm posting the truth. The Gold glove usually goes to the most popular player at that position. I'm not being bias, I'm stating the stats. Jeter happens to have a -32.8 UZR. The AVERAGE UZR is 0. So, Jeter is well below average on defense.

You've been bias like crazy (Jeter defense, Tex over Mauer, etc). No offense, but you seem to know nothing about baseball. You refuse to recolonize the fact that RBI's are a terrible stat, you are not admitting defeat because of your bias, you refuse to accept the fact awards mean nothing, etc.

Also, when I googled "Derek Jeter Fielding" this was the first result: http://www.nypost.com/seven/02162008/sports/yankees/study_claims_jeter_is_worst_fielding_sho_97934.htm

EDIT: I fixed the link.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #106 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:45:57 PM »

lol thats kind of like search google for "french military victories" and clicking "im feeling lucky".

biased about tex yes, jeter no. I simply said he is a great fielder and 95% of experts I guarantee would agree with me. That is not bias that is truth.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #107 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:47:04 PM »

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 24, 2009, 06:45:57 PM

biased about tex yes, jeter no. I simply said he is a great fielder and 95% of experts I guarantee would agree with me. That is not bias that is truth.

95% of experts and analysts agree UZR is the best measure of defense. 0 UZR is average. Jeter has -32.8 UZR

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #108 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:48:01 PM »

Also, here is the second result. They also agree Jeter stinks at defense.

http://www.slate.com/id/2195149/

Here is the third result, it also says Jeter is one of the worst.

http://baseballguru.com/articles/analysismikehoban03.htm

These are a few more down, because there was two results that just showed his stats and no explanation.

http://www.fangraphs.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4735

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_weisman/02/03/defense.metrics/index.html

Want me to go on? All of these are reliable sources, especially baseballguru.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #109 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:55:06 PM »

"I'm the worst?" Jeter said when confronted with the numbers. "I don't think I would say that. But I couldn't really care less what some mathematical equation comes out with." "How do you rank defensive shortstops?" Jeter said. "I don't see how a formula can evaluate how somebody plays.” "You get a strikeout pitcher on the mound as opposed to a ground-ball pitcher, it's going to affect the statistics you use to evaluate defense. So I don't really think you can." -Derek Jeter

see bold

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #110 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:56:30 PM »

Nice try son. UZR is only counted when you get a ball hit to the average range of your position. You'll just have a smaller sample, and with his long career that won't really make a difference.

Also, it is very rare for a strike out pitcher to get more than 12 strike outs, and ground ball pitchers usually get a few. We are really only talking about maybe 20-25% lower sample numbers, and the yankees don't have all strike out pitchers. So maybe 5% lower numbers, max.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #111 on:** August 24, 2009, 06:58:54 PM »

alright you win

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #112 on:** August 24, 2009, 08:23:17 PM »

Wow. This thread degraded quickly.

ejberkenpas, just a thought.... if you don't want people to make negative generalizations about the Yankees, then stop making negative generalizations about the Red Sox. Negativity breeds negativity.

Rawr, sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. There are many intangibles that only show up during the game while you are watching it. I am a lifelong Red Sox fan, but Derek Jeter would have my vote for an all-time team. The best example I can give goes back to a playoff game back in the 2000-2003 date range. The Yankees were struggling in a certain series. The opposing team had a runner in scoring position and got a hit that would drive the run in. The throw from the outfielder was way off, toward the first base side. Jeter was backing up the play on his own intuition. He was able to cut off the throw and make an amazing relay to home to get the runner out.

The Yankees won that series. The stats will only show one assist in one game, but that assist was one of the most amazing plays I have ever seen.

redemptioncousin · « **Reply #113 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:00:23 PM »

Just my two cents... Jeter deserved the Gold Gloves he got... back when he got them. I would have to agree that Jeter is now in the bottom 5 for defensive shortstops in the game currently. He has lost reflexes and a lot of speed. Still proving he can hit though!

Playoff Predictions:

AL
1.Yanks - 3
3. Tigers - 1

2. Angels - 2
4. Rays - 3

NL
1. Phillies - 3
3. Dodgers - 0

2. Cardinals - 1
4. Braves - 3

CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES
AL
Yanks - 4
Rays - 2

NL
Phillies - 3
Braves - 4

WORLD SERIES
Yanks - 4
Braves - 1

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #114 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:06:52 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 24, 2009, 08:23:17 PM

Wow. This thread degraded quickly.

ejberkenpas, just a thought.... if you don't want people to make negative generalizations about the Yankees, then stop making negative generalizations about the Red Sox. Negativity breeds negativity.

Rawr, sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. There are many intangibles that only show up during the game while you are watching it. I am a lifelong Red Sox fan, but Derek Jeter would have my vote for an all-time team. The best example I can give goes back to a playoff game back in the 2000-2003 date range. The Yankees were struggling in a certain series. The opposing team had a runner in scoring position and got a hit that would drive the run in. The throw from the outfielder was way off, toward the first base side. Jeter was backing up the play on his own intuition. He was able to cut off the throw and make an amazing relay to home to get the runner out.

The Yankees won that series. The stats will only show one assist in one game, but that assist was one of the most amazing plays I have ever seen.

Well, I don't mind negativity towards the yankees, just as long as they are backed up by an argument. Agreed about Jeter and your argument about how numbers dont say everything. A players skill isn't always shown by numbers. Great example btw.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #115 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:15:20 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 24, 2009, 08:23:17 PM

Derek Jeter would have my vote for an all-time team.

... before Ozzie Smith, Honus Wagner, Arod, etc?

As for the intangibles, you have to realize they go the other way too. I've seen Derek Jeter refuse to charge a ball and therefore he hurries his throw and is unable to throw out the runner many times, and that often leads to said runner scoring. I've seen Jeter attempt a jump-throw when he has time to grip the ball and deliver a good throw to first, which often leads to an error.

(Directed to R Cousin)
Jeter has always been this bad at defense. 2004 (his first gold glove) was probably his best defensive seasons ever, and he was still below average. 2005 (his second gold glove) was one of his worst defensive seasons ever.

Looking back at my world series predictions, I'm hoping I'm wrong and Pujols makes it to the world series.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #116 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:17:45 PM »

By Pujols you mean St. Louis b/c they would suck if they didn't have carpenter, wainwright, piniero, holliday, or ludwick. Throw Pujols on the pirates and they still suck and have 18 losing seasons in a row.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #117 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:19:45 PM »

Pujols is already a team by himself.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #118 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:22:11 PM »

Well as long as you give credit to St. Louis as a team. Because that is unfair to say Pujols is their whole team. Because they would be no where without the players I named earlier.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #119 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:25:33 PM »

The other players are just figments of your imagination. Pujols pitches every day, and he outruns the ball to go and catch it. Occasionally he'll decide to give up a hit so it doesn't look fishy.

Our brains just can't understand such awesomeness and athletic ability, so we create and "see" other players (such as Carpenter, Holliday, Ludwick, etc) to explain it.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #120 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:27:30 PM »

And all this time I thought........wow. I am speechless.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #121 on:** August 25, 2009, 01:13:00 PM »

Anyone else see the Giants Rockies game? That was sick.

Tied 1-1 going into the 14th.

Giants get a couple triples and a couple walks to score 3 runs.
Rockies come back with a grand slam!

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #122 on:** August 25, 2009, 01:16:13 PM »

Yeah that is about as exciting as a baseball game can get!! Unless of course it happens in game 7 of the World Series haha

STAMP · « **Reply #123 on:** August 25, 2009, 01:29:13 PM »

Looks like the Rockies are poised for another playoff run to the Series.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #124 on:** August 25, 2009, 01:52:43 PM »

The Rockies overtaking the Dodgers would be EPIC.

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