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Every brigade doesn't need a 1/1 character, especially not Gold.

Gold has a 2/2 and a 1/10 already... both extremely good at getting initiative.

If they do make a 1/1 gold hero, it'd better not be a judge.

Gold does have a 1/1 Hero, silly! See?



 

Quote from: redemptioncousin on February 04, 2010, 11:58:24 AM

Gold has a 2/2 and a 1/10 already... both extremely good at getting initiative.

They have crap loads of low people to get inititive. They were basically made for that lol

And almost every other brigade has a 1/1 and a 2/* or */2 hero. Honestly, I'd like to see a 1/1 luke hero that hurts demons.

Actually that is very clever, the Kidness error card.  But seriously, I wonder if somehow this is the reason?  Maybe a computer program looked for a 1/1 heroes, found this misprint, and treated it as "gold already has a 1/1"?

Aha! Bryon is a computer program! That explains so many things!

The Thankful Leper gets initiative against everyone except the 1/1 Kings and sometimes has CBN. Generous Widow is pretty much the same, and she has one of the strongest abilities in the game to boot. Gold also has many other low-numbered Heroes. I think it's the strongest Good Brigade (TGT isn't a Brigade), and it gets that spot without having a 1/1.

I was curious about this.  It seems every brigade now has a 1/1 hero or 1/1 evil character, which are of course great for getting initiative.  Silver is missing one, but I understand it being angels, and you can get a 1/1 with Angel with the Secret Name if they are the only Angel out anyway.

But Gold heroes do not have a 1/1?  Why not?  Seems to put gold at a disadvantage in this particular category.

Thanks for helping me understand this.

Why does every brigade need the same thing?

Because Archers Horses.

One of the worst things to ever happen to Redemption.

"The Same Thing" has existed since the first set of Redemption:

6/6 evil characters
10/10 evil characters
Snare, Stocks, Net
Sleep, Prayer and Fasting, Meditation
How many different brigades got 1/1 ignores/repels?

It is helpful for new players to have some familiarity with certain types of cards that are common across a handful of cultures.  Archers and Horses are some of those card types.  They are instantly familiar.

Warriors from warrior cultures often use the same tools: chariots and horses

"Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we will remember the name of the Lord our God.  They are brought down and fallen, but we are risen and stand upright." Psalm 20:7-8

Magicians and Sadducees and Herods and Heretics and Greeks and Pharisees and Sadducees etc. are not mentioned in the Bible as using Horses (though obviously Greeks did historically).  So, obviously, these groups will not be getting horses.

Was it "the worst thing to happen to Redemption" to give Red "Potter and the Clay" and blue "Iron Pan" in Prophets, since it just made red and blue more like white, gold, and purple?  Or was it so horrible to give multiple good brigades an enhancement that converts a human evil character?  Red, gold, green, blue, purple, white, and silver have those.

There will be some overlap in brigades - ESPECIALLY among themes that share a common trait (warriors who used horses, for example).  There will also be traits that are much more common in certain brigades (converts in good gold, shuffling in green, hand discard in blue and gray, drawing and discard and site access in purple, ignore and demon discard in white, capture and discard in red, negating special abilities in silver, etc.), and other traits that are common in a certain subgroup within that brigade.

In my opinion, they need both.  We can't have 1500 different special ability types listed in the REG.  There MUST BE overlap across brigades.  Since the 1995 and all the way until today, there is and always will be overlap of abilities across brigades.  When a player is new to the game, ALL the cards are new.  If that player sees a "Horses" weapon, they will know what it does.  If they see an archer, they will know what it does.  In many, many games, cultures or themes or colors have their strengths and limitations, but they also have their similarities.  

In Lord of the Rings, for example, there were Archers in several cultures: Isengard, Moria, Raiders, Elf, Gondor... basically every culture that used a bow in the movie.  There were fierce minions in Moria, Isengard, Ringwraith, Sauron... I think EVERY shadow culture had fierce minions.  Damage + 1 was a feature of Isengard Uruk-Hai, but it was also seen on Moria minions, Sauron minions, Dwarves, etc.  A majority of weapons had the same function regardless of culture: Damage + 1.  

Horses are basic function cards that are almost like "staple funtions" of a warrior culture.  They give a way for a 10/10 evil character to have a chance to play an evil enhancement (evil enhancements were WAY underused in top decks without either a 1/1 or a horse).

There are enough other unique things that differentiate the brigades that we don't need to start calling archers and horses "the worst thing to happen to Redemption," as if similar functions across brigades were anything remotely new to the game.

In that case I'd like to see non WC themes be more viable.

Good, 'cause, um... yeah.