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I didn't intend it just to be an Oak counter. The first thing that I thought of was stopping Chariot of Fire. I'd rather just slap an "except Lost Souls" on it. What then?

What's a Prophet shuffle offense? Unless you're talking about T2, which idk about, the "beyond belief" ironically strains credulity. Two Bears and Habakkuk Stands Watch are the only two shuffles I can think of.

It would certainly make ANB a different kind of card...

Aside from that, it essentially makes Holy Unto the Lord a better version of AoCP that can be played via Hidden Treasures. It may make Syrian defenses usable though...

Yeah, these were the two main cards I was thinking of.

Also included:

Angelic Advice
David's Music
Grapes of Wrath
Hur
Mayhem
Love at First Sight
Thrown Into the Sea

You could put Vanity on Chorazin. But otherwise you raise a good point. I guess I'm not sure exactly why ANB wouldn't work as I suggested, my understanding is that the shuffle is insteaded before the battle ends.

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What has not been mentioned: Captured Ark (and another card not to be named) remove artifacts from the game, making them much more powerful than intended or expected.  And as mentioned, there are indeed ways to have two curses active at the same time. 

I already listed Angelic Advice... which does what Split Altar was SUPPOSED to do.

Angelic Advice (Pa)

Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Shuffle all Artifact piles in play back into each players' draw pile. Active artifacts are shuffled but not negated. • Play As: Shuffle [return] all Artifact piles into owner's deck. Active artifacts are not negated. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Judges 2:1-2 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Common)

ANB would not. It would suffer the same fizzle effect that happens when multiple people are banded into battle at the same time, but somewhere before one activates an End the Battle ability takes place.

I just disagree about Grapes. It's a perfectly equal check on the card, because while Vanity is up, Grapes cuts both ways. In addition, it is much more damaging to good, which is runaway powerful and could use a threat with some teeth.

In order to use Captured Ark with it, you'd have to also have Chozarin at the same time, your opponent would need to lack Nazareth, and you'd only get to remove one Artifact. Making Captured Ark better when a certain combo is in place does not even put a card closer to being broken.

I did not mean to imply that T2 doesn't matter, only that I don't have enough experience with T2 to know whether or not a card would do something extra there. So far nobody has pointed out any T2-specific concerns, so as far as I know it doesn't.

Unless someone wants to keep insisting that it works with ANB, it seems the card is exactly what I think new cards should be. Potentially very powerful, but situationally so, very good in some decks, but not all, and broad enough in scope to be useful against most decks, but limited enough to not be an auto-include.

@Christian Soldier: It actually wouldn't. Caves would cause a shuffle, which would be insteaded to a remove, which would be insteaded to a place, not a shuffle. The net effect would be sticking the Prophet there until Vanity were deactivated, not a loop. Also, good point on Vanity. Two Bears is NBD unless you're using Brown for your defense, locking you into a Green/Purple/Brown deck, which is terrible, if you were to want to build a whole deck around this one curse.

@Christian Soldier: It actually wouldn't. Caves would cause a shuffle, which would be insteaded to a remove, which would be insteaded to a place, not a shuffle. The net effect would be sticking the Prophet there until Vanity were deactivated, not a loop. Also, good point on Vanity. Two Bears is NBD unless you're using Brown for your defense, locking you into a Green/Purple/Brown deck, which is terrible, if you were to want to build a whole deck around this one curse.

That's actually what I was saying, I wasn't saying it would go infinite (although I do get why you thought that) I just thought it was funny that they would place themselves in caves every turn without going anywhere.

No it wouldn't. I'm done arguing with you about it here.

Considering that AN ELDER also disagreed with your assertion, that is unhelpful.  You did not address my examples, and no one else has backed you whatsoever.  Therefore, you must defend your position if you feel that the ruling should be that way (and as it applies to other cases as I pointed out, it isn't just a theoretical).