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I originally had it place to territory, but felt that left it too vulnerable (you'd never have a chance to get to the 10 counters).

I chose 7 because then it's useful in T1 and T2 events (and I believe there is a game rule saying only your first 5 Souls count in T1 so it shouldn't screw with differential at all). Plus 7 is a holy number.

For those that don't know: AWC = Alternate Win Condition (a way to win the game other than the primary way from the rules)

There needs to be a condition to play this.

Care to provide reasoning, or even a suggestion of possible condition?

The round requirement is open to changing (and I'm thinking 15 might be better, or maybe 11, haha), so please feel free to provide details.

I'd say this definitely needs at least some condition, and has the potential to be way to powerful in type II.

That's the biggest reason I was thinking of upping the round requirement (though not so high as to make it unplayable in T1). Also, it has a condition, you need to have 10 counters on it.

Specific suggestions would be most helpful for those saying it needs further limiting.

It does need a condition, AWC's by nature are supposed to be highly unplayable. As is, there would be absolutely no reason to splash this in every single deck just to put the game on a 10 turn clock.

I was thinking that as well, also place in territory instead of set-aside. I still can't think of many cards that would discard this from territory, but it is certainly far greater than the pseudo-immunity granted by set-aside.

I like the idea of AWC's but this is not a good example of one. Frankly it ruins type two. Your entire offence is dedicated to searching for this card and you play it first turn. Game over. In T1 you have a 100+ turtle with ways to search out the card and a 70+ card defense. Best two decks in the game.

On the plus side, at least people will be playing defense.

As is, it can be searched for TC by A Soldier's Prayer x4 and Consider the Lilies x4.  And the only requirement to play it is a hero in territory and your opponent doesn't have DD or CWD active? 

There may be a way to make an AWC card for Redemption, and you have selected a good Bible verse IMO, but as is, I don't think this is it.

Most games (at least in T1, I don't have as much experience with T2) are over in under 11 rounds so I don't see how this is specifically OP in that regard (and that's assuming you get it out turn 1). Yes, there are multiple ways to search for it but you'd have to play those themes (and honestly, if you're playing with CtL you're better off using TGT as you'll win a lot faster, lol).

As Koala pointed out, anything that makes people play defense isn't a bad thing (this coming from a guy that plays Gardenciples in T1MP as his primary deck/event ).

I'm fine with returning it to sit in territory, as I said the set aside was a last minute change. I'm also fine with increasing the round requirement as well, does anyone have suggestions on how long would make it not "OP"?

I find it hard to come up with an appropriate hero to use this (for those that suggested limiting it to that), though removing the TC aspect would also work I suppose.

For those that want a condition, I'm still looking for specific suggestions regarding that.

Thanks for the comments everyone, much appreciated!

Place in set aside: If an opponent discards your hero, add a counter. If you discard a hero, remove a counter. If X is 7 or greater, you win the game.

X = # of counters on this card

I like that because it would make your opponent second guess their Wrath of Satan or Haman's Plot (and because you could still win if they devastate your offense) but at the same time you could conceivably get this off in the early turns of the game (I played a game where I hit Creation of the World first turn with my Genesis offense and he hit Wrath of Satan first turn as well, I would have won right then if I'd had this version of the card out).

My idea:

X = number of counters on this card
"If opposed during your rescue attempt, place in set-aside:  When that opponent draws (except Draw Phase) on his turn, add a counter.  When you draw (except Draw Phase) on your turn, remove a counter.  If X is 7 or greater, you win the game."

I would abuse side battles SO hard with this card. 

If Alternate Win Conditions become an option, then ANB and Sin in the Camp should be returned to their former glory.