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Joseph - 2/10 Blue hero (I can't imagine that Joseph would not have the physical strength to overpower generic Pharisees and Saduccees...  But since the pattern is being used for all 12 sons of Jacob...)
Ability - "Hero ignores female human evil characters.  If captured by an opponent's card, opponent must discard two evil cards from hand, battle, or territory.  Cannot be negated."
Genesis 39:2

I know that preblock ignore is hated, but if anyone should ignore evil females, it should be Joseph. 

And as for the second part of the ability - every time Joseph was "captured", he kept his faith in God and God ended up using it as a blessing.  It also keeps the Genesis theme of hand discard. 

I think more abilities like this would be cool - instead of protecting a character from capture, let your opponent capture the character if they want - but then they get hurt in some way.  And it doesn't have to be capture, it could be anything negative.

I like the second part, but the first is kind of boring. Maybe something like: "If blocked by a female, you place Joseph in opponent's land of bondage to search deck for a Hero and add it to battle." Kind of like The Amalekite's Slave, but more conditional, but at the same time more useful (since there are good strategies to having captured Genesis heroes in your opponent's LoB with Levi).

Unfortunately his ability to discard cards from opponent wouldn't work, because it would be you (the owner) capturing Joseph.  I didn't want the owner to have this power, since I thought it might get abused somehow through self-capture.  But I guess it would be pretty hard to capture your own heroes when you are attacking...

I like your suggestion, and I think it would be cool if it triggered the second part of his ability. 

Quote from: jmhartz on April 25, 2010, 09:43:54 PM

Joseph - 2/10 Blue hero (I can't imagine that Joseph would not have the physical strength to overpower generic Pharisees and Saduccees...  But since the pattern is being used for all 12 sons of Jacob...)

Actually, the pattern would put him at 2/2. It may not make sense for such a powerful character to be so weak, but I like the direction of symbolism which Redemption is taking with numbers, and I think it makes more sense than just making really high or really low numbers depending on what you feel like.

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"Hero ignores female human evil characters."

1. This + Women as Snares = GG, as if PBI wasn't hated enough already.
2. If you are really going to go with this ability, you don't need to say "human," as there are not and will probably never be any female demons to the best of my knowledge, and even if there were, I think he would ignore them, too.

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I know that preblock ignore is hated, but if anyone should ignore evil females, it should be Joseph. 

This is probably true, but I would vastly prefer an immune ability to an ignore ability.

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"If captured by an opponent's card, opponent must discard two evil cards from hand, battle, or territory."
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every time Joseph was "captured", he kept his faith in God and God ended up using it as a blessing.  It also keeps the Genesis theme of hand discard. 

I think more abilities like this would be cool - instead of protecting a character from capture, let your opponent capture the character if they want - but then they get hurt in some way.  And it doesn't have to be capture, it could be anything negative.

I agree, I like this a lot. Combined with Levi, this is really even better than capture protection, which is handy enough by itself.

Also, I think something involving Coat of Many Colors should be in Joe's ability as well.

Cubus would be a female demon     I actually thought of her when I wrote the ability.

I thought of those two cards, but for some reason I was just sure that they weren't demons. This could be something I never knew before, but being tired doesn't help anything...

Actually, the pattern would put him at 2/2.

Not necessarily. Reuben and Simeon don't have equal offense and defense, so the pattern doesn't require it. Although I think it might be cool if he was like this: "2/2, Joseph gains 11/5 if a Pharaoh is in play", since that would make him go from 2/2 to 13/7 (i.e. stronger than all of his brothers).

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"Hero ignores female human evil characters."

1. This + Women as Snares = GG, as if PBI wasn't hated enough already.

Except Eve already has this ability. It's not OP'd, just a bit boring is all. Besides, Gomer, Sapphira, and Lot's Wife are the only female EC's I ever see used. And Sapphira and Lot's Wife fairly infrequently at that.

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I know that preblock ignore is hated, but if anyone should ignore evil females, it should be Joseph. 

This is probably true, but I would vastly prefer an immune ability to an ignore ability.

I would only ever be in support of an immune ability on heroes if a) it was CBN and/or b) the hero had big numbers. There's really no point to it otherwise.

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"If captured by an opponent's card, opponent must discard two evil cards from hand, battle, or territory."
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every time Joseph was "captured", he kept his faith in God and God ended up using it as a blessing.  It also keeps the Genesis theme of hand discard. 

I think more abilities like this would be cool - instead of protecting a character from capture, let your opponent capture the character if they want - but then they get hurt in some way.  And it doesn't have to be capture, it could be anything negative.

I agree, I like this a lot. Combined with Levi, this is really even better than capture protection, which is handy enough by itself.

I like this a lot too. My suggestion wouldn't trigger it, no, but it adds another element to it which could be nice.

Also, I think something involving Coat of Many Colors should be in Joe's ability as well.

Agreed. Maybe "may retain Coat of Many Colors" should be an abilifier...