Author Topic: The Rich Young Ruler (reprint) (Read 4491 times)

browarod · « **on:** January 13, 2012, 01:13:49 PM »

You may capture this card to opponent’s Land of Bondage to protect Lost Souls from rescue by a player with more than 7 cards in hand. Opponent may discard half their hand (rounded up) to discard this card instead.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2012, 01:15:59 PM »

I'm not so sure that we need another standalone evil character (and this is certainly more standalone than anything else). Perhaps he should have more of a cost? Discard an evil enhancement from play to..."?

browarod · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2012, 01:19:25 PM »

I was trying to be Biblically accurate, and since he didn't want to give up his things to follow Christ I figured it'd make sense for him to protect Souls from rescue by people with lots of "things" (I chose cards in hand, but I could change it to something else to balance if that would help).

Upon reflection, I definitely think I'll change the CBI part because (unless he's banded in) the Hero would be winning the battle and wouldn't even have a chance to interrupt him. Maybe I'll make it CBP against NT heroes instead.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 13, 2012, 01:22:28 PM »

"Opponent may discard half his hand (rounded up) to negate this" would be a nice touch I think. It remains accurate to the story by implying that when your opponent does let go of his material possessions, the RYR no longer stops him.

browarod · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2012, 01:35:49 PM »

I like that idea, I think I'll go with it, thanks.

EDIT: Updated with Chronic's negate idea.

Red Wing · « **Reply #5 on:** January 13, 2012, 02:00:33 PM »

I like it. Pretty balanced, and could still go in stand alone or a big defense.

browarod · « **Reply #6 on:** January 13, 2012, 02:28:32 PM »

Edited again, Holy of Holies no longer makes this card a guaranteed auto-block.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #7 on:** January 13, 2012, 02:35:20 PM »

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2012, 02:28:32 PM

Edited again, Holy of Holies no longer makes this card a guaranteed auto-block.

And with this change, it's an autowin, so it won't be splashed into as many decks.

browarod · « **Reply #8 on:** January 13, 2012, 02:37:04 PM »

Well, I can't please everyone, lol. Without scrapping the idea completely I'm not sure how to make it not either an unstoppable auto-block or a moderately tough auto-win.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #9 on:** January 13, 2012, 02:38:26 PM »

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2012, 02:37:04 PM

Well, I can't please everyone, lol. Without scrapping the idea completely I'm not sure how to make it not either an unstoppable auto-block or a moderately tough auto-win.

Sorry, I liked the change. Before, it'd be in quite a few decks. Now that you are giving your opponent a possibility of an auto-win, it'll be in far fewer.

browarod · « **Reply #10 on:** January 13, 2012, 02:40:02 PM »

I just hope "far fewer" doesn't equate to "none."

browarod · « **Reply #11 on:** January 13, 2012, 03:03:08 PM »

Quote from: Master Q on January 13, 2012, 02:58:58 PM

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2012, 02:40:02 PM
I just hope "far fewer" doesn't equate to "none."

The potential to wipe out a majority of your opponent's hand is still good. Don't worry, there's still Gomer

True enough.

Master KChief · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2012, 03:05:45 PM »

You could give a time restriction on when he may be discarded by the opponent, such as during a specific phase.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2012, 03:07:09 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2012, 03:05:45 PM

You could give a time restriction on when he may be discarded by the opponent, such as during a specific phase.

It'd be during battle, when his ability activates.

Quote from: Master Q on January 13, 2012, 02:58:58 PM

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2012, 02:40:02 PM
I just hope "far fewer" doesn't equate to "none."

The potential to wipe out a majority of your opponent's hand is still good. Don't worry, there's still Gomer

Exactly. I can see him being placed in a lot of defensive-heavy decks. It's also nice to block with him, then Writ/Charms/Martyr.

Master KChief · « **Reply #14 on:** January 13, 2012, 03:09:54 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 13, 2012, 03:07:09 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2012, 03:05:45 PM
You could give a time restriction on when he may be discarded by the opponent, such as during a specific phase.
It'd be during battle, when his ability activates.

No, I'm saying the card could specify when he may be discarded as a lost soul to prevent the auto-rescue.

browarod · « **Reply #15 on:** January 13, 2012, 03:17:35 PM »

I'm not really sure what you mean MKC. Once his ability finishes, he's either a Lost Soul and all Souls are protected until the end of the battle phase, or he's in the discard pile and the battle continues as a rescue attempt.

Master KChief · « **Reply #16 on:** January 13, 2012, 04:14:56 PM »

Since one of the concerns was he would be an underused card since he would more than likely be an auto-win, I was suggesting put a restriction on when he may be discarded by the opponent. For instance:

"During preparation phase, opponent may discard half their hand (rounded up) to discard this card from their territory."

browarod · « **Reply #17 on:** January 13, 2012, 04:19:42 PM »

Oh, you have auto-win backwards, lol. The concern about auto-win is that if you block with this guy alone, and the opponent does discard half their hand, then your only blocker discards itself and your block fails and your opponent gets an auto-win that battle.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 13, 2012, 04:33:46 PM »

I like the reprint. The only thing I would like to suggest is that he capture himself you "your LoB" because being rich is ultimately a burden on himself. Also I don't like benefits masquerading as costs.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #19 on:** January 13, 2012, 04:36:47 PM »

"Protect all Lost Souls from rescue from any player with more than 7 cards in hand and discard this card. Opponent may discard half his hand (rounded up) to place this card in his Land of Bondage instead."

This is what I would change it to, but it's just my personal opinion.

browarod · « **Reply #20 on:** January 13, 2012, 04:38:57 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on January 13, 2012, 04:33:46 PM

I like the reprint. The only thing I would like to suggest is that he capture himself you "your LoB" because being rich is ultimately a burden on himself. Also I don't like benefits masquerading as costs.

The benefit of putting himself in the opponent's LoB in order to get the protection is moreso to restrict the two individual abilities than to be strictly a cost. The cost is that the opponent has a chance to undo the abilities without need of a negate.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 13, 2012, 04:42:50 PM »

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2012, 04:38:57 PM

The cost is that the opponent has a chance to undo the abilities without need of a negate.

That's not a cost really. It's more of a check.

Master KChief · « **Reply #22 on:** January 13, 2012, 04:51:55 PM »

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2012, 04:19:42 PM

Oh, you have auto-win backwards, lol. The concern about auto-win is that if you block with this guy alone, and the opponent does discard half their hand, then your only blocker discards itself and your block fails and your opponent gets an auto-win that battle.

I understand that. I'm saying once his capture to opponents lob ability is used, by adding the restriction on when he may be discarded, your opponent cannot respond to his capture ability by discarding him immediately in that same battle, ergo giving the rescuer an auto-win.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #23 on:** January 13, 2012, 04:56:30 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2012, 04:51:55 PM

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2012, 04:19:42 PM
Oh, you have auto-win backwards, lol. The concern about auto-win is that if you block with this guy alone, and the opponent does discard half their hand, then your only blocker discards itself and your block fails and your opponent gets an auto-win that battle.

I understand that. I'm saying once his capture to opponents lob ability is used, by adding the restriction on when he may be discarded, your opponent cannot respond to his capture ability by discarding him immediately in that same battle, ergo giving the rescuer an auto-win.

I don't think you do understand it. He gets discarded in the battle phase or not at all (barring a Burial). Either he gets captured and the souls are protected, or he's discarded. There's no reason he should be able to be discarded after that point. Also, please I hate to bring this up here, but please respond to my PM.

Master KChief · « **Reply #24 on:** January 13, 2012, 05:00:01 PM »

Ah, failed to acknowledge the 'instead'. That pretty much changes everything. Even so, in that regard, if you value the auto-block more than the auto-rescue, you could just drop the instead and add the time restriction. But really not sure brown needs more auto-blocks, so its probably pretty good as is.

Also, I have not responded because I'm not interested. Thanks.

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