Author Topic: The Dermo Delux - New Card Ideas (Read 18870 times)

dermo4christ · « **on:** September 03, 2012, 07:48:17 PM »

Hello to everyone on the boards! Since Lambo has so graciously decided to make cards for everyone's ideas (thanks, friend!) I am starting this topic to brainstorm some card ideas. Since you guys are all masters at Redemption and I am not, I would welcome any thoughts as to how to fix some of the upcoming card ideas. I've been playing for a few years but am by no means great at this game. But I love having the option to create new ideas for cards. Once I get enough feedback I will give Lambo the final card idea to post. I have a few already posted on other threads....most are under Lambo's new card creation thread, but there are a few others under the latest Card Gallery thread. Feel free to comment on those as well. I'll be posting some ideas as soon as possible.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #1 on:** September 03, 2012, 07:51:03 PM »

That's what the board is for! Look forward to seeing your new ideas.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #2 on:** September 03, 2012, 08:53:54 PM »

Title: Cistern in the Wilderness
Type: Evil Fortress
SA: If O.T. Joseph is being removed from the game, place him here instead. Treat him as a discarded hero. If a son of Jacob makes a successful rescue attempt, then shuffle Joseph into deck and then remove this fortress from the game.
Image: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Joseph%27s+cistern&view=detail&id=BC7A5007FBAB021994C02A539465FA55EDAB6E2B&first=1
Identifier: Holds one OT Joseph
Verse: “Don’t shed any blood. Throw him into this cistern here in the wilderness, but don’t lay a hand on him.” Reuben said this to rescue him from them and take him back to his father. Genesis 37:22
Border: Green
Size: Medium

dermo4christ · « **Reply #3 on:** September 03, 2012, 09:28:21 PM »

Title: King Solomon's Carriage
Type: Good enhancement
Brigade: Silver/Gold/Purple
Numbers:X/X
Class: Warrior
SA: Search deck or discard pile for a warrior class male human hero and add him to battle. If used on King Solomon or Daughters of Jerusalem this enhancement cannot be negated. If rescue attempt is unsuccessful, remove this enhancement from the game.
Image: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bible+carriages&view=detail&id=2433B64C68261298F9443B9B7A39260C816B0435
Identifier: X= the number of heroes in play
Verse: Look! It is Solomon’s carriage...he made it of wood from Lebanon. Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its interior inlaid with love. Daughters of Jerusalem, come out, and look... Song of Songs 3:7, 9-11.
Border: Ultra Rare
Size: Medium

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #4 on:** September 04, 2012, 12:52:33 AM »

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Title: Cistern in the Wilderness
Type: Evil Fortress
SA: If O.T. Joseph is being removed from the game, place him here instead. Treat him as a discarded hero. If a son of Jacob makes a successful rescue attempt, then shuffle Joseph into deck and then remove this fortress from the game.
Image: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Joseph%27s+cistern&view=detail&id=BC7A5007FBAB021994C02A539465FA55EDAB6E2B&first=1
Identifier: Holds one OT Joseph
Verse: “Don’t shed any blood. Throw him into this cistern here in the wilderness, but don’t lay a hand on him.” Reuben said this to rescue him from them and take him back to his father. Genesis 37:22

A rather pointless card when you consider Obadiah's Caves does the same thing but better, for no cost, and protects from Capture as well.

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Title: King Solomon's Carriage
Type: Good enhancement
Brigade: Silver/Gold/Purple
Numbers:X/X
Class: Warrior
SA: Search deck or discard pile for a warrior class male human hero and add him to battle. If used on King Solomon or Daughters of Jerusalem this enhancement cannot be negated. If rescue attempt is unsuccessful, remove this enhancement from the game.
Image: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bible+carriages&view=detail&id=2433B64C68261298F9443B9B7A39260C816B0435
Identifier: X= the number of heroes in play
Verse: Look! It is Solomon’s carriage...he made it of wood from Lebanon. Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its interior inlaid with love. Daughters of Jerusalem, come out, and look... Song of Songs 3:7, 9-11.

A weapon that lets you band would be extremely powerful. Tutoring or Resurrecting as well makes it OP. CBN sends it into Broken territory, and big numbers on Israelite Archer for a FbtN band plant it so far in that even the self-removal clause doesn't drag it any further than OP at the least.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #5 on:** September 05, 2012, 09:29:24 PM »

so what recommendations do you have for Carriage? It's obvious that Cistern needs thrown out the idea window....lol.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #6 on:** September 05, 2012, 10:04:07 PM »

Perhaps you should give it the ability, "You may discard this card to add any Warrior-Class hero in play to battle. Cannot be negated by an evil card."

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #7 on:** September 06, 2012, 03:06:49 AM »

Still OP. CBN banding is very, very good.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #8 on:** September 06, 2012, 05:49:45 PM »

What if I would put cannot be interrupted instead? That way it can still be negated.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #9 on:** September 06, 2012, 06:58:18 PM »

Somewhat better, but realize this. Branched banding is one of the most powerful things in the game. If Israelite Archer were to use it, he'd get to band in multiple chains at the same time pre-battle. At least making it CBI would stop TSA and Captain from horribly abusing it.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #10 on:** September 06, 2012, 07:26:47 PM »

I'm not familiar with Israelite Archer....don't own and never saw it used.

Asahel24601 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 06, 2012, 07:27:55 PM »

Israelite Archer (Ki)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 2 / 5 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: May band to any warrior class Hero. May discard any warrior class Evil Character in a territory but then discard Israelite Archer at end of battle. • Identifiers: Generic OT Male Human, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: I Chronicles 8:40 • Availability: Kings booster packs (Rare)

dermo4christ · « **Reply #12 on:** September 06, 2012, 09:08:36 PM »

ah....nice card....must have!!!!

dermo4christ · « **Reply #13 on:** September 06, 2012, 09:14:05 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 06, 2012, 06:58:18 PM

Somewhat better, but realize this. Branched banding is one of the most powerful things in the game. If Israelite Archer were to use it, he'd get to band in multiple chains at the same time pre-battle. At least making it CBI would stop TSA and Captain from horribly abusing it.

So what if I made the ability this way: Remove this card from the game to search deck for a male warrior class human hero and add him to battle. Cannot be interrupted if King Solomon is in play.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #14 on:** September 06, 2012, 09:33:06 PM »

I don't think there could ever be anything you could do to make a Good Weapon that enables banding balanced without adding a cost.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #15 on:** September 11, 2012, 06:24:20 PM »

so then throw out this one too?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2012, 12:56:04 PM »

Or add a real cost. One of my major foci is high-risk high-reward viability.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #17 on:** September 12, 2012, 06:33:57 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 12, 2012, 12:56:04 PM

Or add a real cost. One of my major foci is high-risk high-reward viability.

How about this: Remove a good dominant from your deck from the game to search deck for a male warrior class hero and add him to battle. Cannot be interrupted if King Solomon is in play.

Removing a good dominant ability can hurt if you've played one already since the two good/bad dom cap. What do you think?

dermo4christ · « **Reply #18 on:** September 14, 2012, 05:30:19 PM »

Title: Daughters of Jerusalem
Brigade: Gold
Numbers: 2/2
Class: none
SA: Search deck for one good enhancement and add it to hand. May band to King Solomon. Cannot be prevented.
Image: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=old+testament+women&view=detail&id=3D8EB87D3B87ACE324BBC18A782A0EA907E77404
Verse: Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you: Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires. Song of Solomon 8:4
Border: Ultra Rare
Size: medium

dermo4christ · « **Reply #19 on:** September 14, 2012, 06:16:05 PM »

Title: Egyptian Master
Brigade: Evil Gold
Numbers: X/X
Class: Warrior
SA: If an unoccupied Pharoah's Prison is in play, you may capture Joseph, regardless of protection, and place him there. If Joseph is not in play, holder may draw X (limit 3). Cannot be negated if a Pharoah is in play.
Identifier: Egyptian, X= the number of Egyptians in play.
Image: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=egyptian+characters&view=detail&id=5154146593219393781E95BCCBCE261427DBA761
Verse: Joseph’s master took him and put him in prison, the place where the king’s prisoners were confined. Genesis 39:20
Border: UR/10
Size: medium

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #20 on:** September 14, 2012, 07:19:58 PM »

You can put multiple cards on a single post.

Daughters of Jerusalem looks solid, but the SA doesn't really seem to match the verse. Isn't it about not...er, banding?

For Egyptian Master, at first I thought it was OP, but the more I think about it it just fits. Although I would make it "if an unoccupied Pharaoh's Prison is in play..." so that it's a bit harder to get the effect and not splashable. In other words, I'd write it like this:

"If an empty Pharaoh's Prison is in play, you may Capture Joseph and put him there (or if no Joseph is in play, draw X (limit 3)). Cannot be Negated if a Pharaoh is in play."

At first I was a bit put-off because the verse is specifically referencing Potiphar, but there is a precedent for using specific verses to make cards about a general kind of person.

Neither of these would be ultra-rares, but that's just a design choice at this point.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #21 on:** September 14, 2012, 07:33:47 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 14, 2012, 07:19:58 PM

You can put multiple cards on a single post.

Daughters of Jerusalem looks solid, but the SA doesn't really seem to match the verse. Isn't it about not...er, banding?

For Egyptian Master, at first I thought it was OP, but the more I think about it it just fits. Although I would make it "if an unoccupied Pharaoh's Prison is in play..." so that it's a bit harder to get the effect and not splashable. In other words, I'd write it like this:

"If an empty Pharaoh's Prison is in play, you may Capture Joseph and put him there (or if no Joseph is in play, draw X (limit 3)). Cannot be Negated if a Pharaoh is in play."

At first I was a bit put-off because the verse is specifically referencing Potiphar, but there is a precedent for using specific verses to make cards about a general kind of person.

Neither of these would be ultra-rares, but that's just a design choice at this point.

I love your comment...."er banding". Funny. And I agree with you...I'll take the banding out since Daughters of Jerusalem should not "awaken love"....

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For the cap Joe ability, I figured it would fit. And since I play Genegyptians my self it would work well, I think, in my deck if I'm playing another egyptian defense with Pharoah's prison. I could cap my own Joe and put in his/her pharoah's prison if there are no LSs in my opponent's LOB and I could also cap opponent's Joe as well. And if I cap my own Joe and am using Judah I can use Judah's ability to place him in the prison and take my Joe back. Pretty cool I think! And I will fix the wording. Thanks for the input....after I fix I'll post for Lam to create.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #22 on:** September 14, 2012, 08:55:42 PM »

I created this one on another post but didn't get any feedback. Let me know what you guys think of this one.

Title: Valley of Death
Type: Good/Evil Fortress
SA: Any character being removed from the game is placed here instead. After each successful rescue attempt or block, holder may release one character from this fortress and shuffle that character into deck. If this fortress is occupied by more than three heroes or evil characters, protect your hand, deck, and discard pile from opponents.
Identifier: Holds any number of good and evil characters.
Image: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=valley+of+the+shadow+of+death&view=detail&id=45A126BAE40D546CEB006AF1FF068B0B390505B1&qpvt=valley+of+the+shadow+of+death
Verse: Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.... Psalm 23:4
Border: Green
Size: Medium

Title: Pharaoh's Army
Brigade: Evil Gold
Numbers: 8/10
Class: Warrior
SA: If Moses is in play, this character may not block. If you control Egyptian Horseman, you may draw 3 cards. Cannot be negated.
Identifier: Egyptian, Army
Image: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pharoah%27s+army&view=detail&id=DD73BB9A7E74EB44A676742E9578618D65D0A065&first=192
Verse: “As for Me, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they will go in after them; and I will be honored through Pharaoh and all his army, through his chariots and his horsemen. Exodus 14:17
Border: Purple
Size: Medium

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #23 on:** September 15, 2012, 02:35:04 AM »

Valley of Death is too similar to City of Refuge, except not quite as good. Also, it doesn't really do the concept justice. The valley of death should be wicked-sweet.

Pharaoh's Army is way, way too powerful. Just CBN banding is crazy good. Throw high numbers, WC status and a D3 into the mix and it needs some serious dialing back. I do like the concept of certain cards doing things if you have certain other cards without necessarily interacting directly.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #24 on:** September 15, 2012, 10:12:00 AM »

Not quite sure how to fix Valley of Death....suggestions? And Pharaoh's Army I'll take out the CBN.

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Author Topic: The Dermo Delux - New Card Ideas (Read 18870 times)