The 2018 Community Created Card: Stats voting and Special ability suggestions

[sepjazzwarrior]

Ability:  Search deck or reserve for a Giant.  That Giant gains 3/3 and may band to all other Giants while Rapha remains in play.  CBN

[The Guardian]

Based on 55 votes toughness is already locked at 12.
Strength is one vote away from locking a tie  at 12.

12/12 looks to be the stats at this point.

That does appear to be the case--I will allow the voting to continue since we're also using this time to take ideas for the special ability.

[Josh]

Given the arguments put forward, most notably by Jesse (who nominated this character with a specific character in mind), I am tweaking my submission to represent the father of Goliath and his brothers, not the ancestor of all giants.

The Giant of Gath
12/12 Black Evil Character
WC, TC, Giant, Father of Goliath, Saph, Lahmi, Ishbibenob, and The Twelve-Fingered Giant
"While equipped, negate Artifacts.  If harmed, you may banish this character instead to search deck and/or Reserve for two sons of The Giant of Gath and add one to battle.  Cannot be negated.”

[Kor]

WC
TC

Protect other giants in territory from opponents.  At any time, you may discard Rapha to search deck or reserve for a giant and add a giant to battle.

[Master Q]

-I agree with arguments put forth by Jesse and others, such that he (Rapha) is considered specifically the father of the 5 giant brothers for the purpose of this card.


-My ability is a tad longer than the guide posted by Gabe. But I went with the Watchman as a guide, and it ended up comparable to that in length (if not shorter). So... yeah.


-As for the abilities, I'm seeing a lot of searching. A lot. I know it's like a Philistine thing, but I would rather see a more unique ability; something very distinct and new to keep the theme fresh. For my submission, I tried to do this with a new way to interact with the Reserve, rather than just searching.

That should probably give it away when it comes time to voting (if mine ends up as one of the options).

[TheHobbit13]

If the name Rapha was changed to the Giant of Gath, then he would be a Philistine.

  I like that a lot!


The Giant of Gath.

12/12 territory class

Each time you play a giant you may search deck, discard pile, or reserve for a philistine evil character or black weapon. When blocking, discard all non-weapon class enhancements.

Edited to fit standards.

[Kevinthedude]

Territory Class

"Toss enhancements used by players with more than one brigade in battle. Cannot be Interrupted"

It affects both players so you have to build around it if you run it and it counters splash decks and gives players a reason to build mono brigade decks. I originally wanted it to be

"Restrict players with more than one brigade in battle from playing enhancements. CBI"

so it would be more powerful and hurt CoL but I don't know if restricting enhancements may be too extreme and toss fits better thematically since it's a giant.

Also, my , I support renaming it The Giant of Gath so that it can be Philistine.

[redemption collector 777]

The Giant of Gath (so it can remain philistine)

[The Guardian]

Since there is still debate on the "Rapha" name and who it refers to, the team will discuss going from Rapha to Giant of Gath in order to ensure this character gets the Philistine identifier.

In fairness to those who voted, would there be any objections to this idea?

[NathanW]

None at all

[jbeers285]

It seems more likely that we will get a character that we can say for sure existed if we go with the Father of Goliath and Bros.

That means I am for "Giant of Gath"

[Gabe]

I'm good with the "Giant of Gath" idea.

It's unfortunate that he'll lose his association with all the other giants in the game, but at least the Philistine phans will be happy.

[NathanW]

I'm good with the "Giant of Gath" idea.

[...] at least the Philistine phans will be happy.

I see what ya did there

[Watchman]

I'm good with the "Giant of Gath" idea.

It's unfortunate that he'll lose his association with all the other giants in the game, but at least the Philistine phans will be happy.

But this leaves room for potential other father of giants card creations of different nationalities (does Anak ring a bell?) 

[VJ]

Other "giant" people were mentioned in Deuteronomy 2:10-11; 20-21.

After Joshua defeated the Anakites, they settled into other lands which included Gath (Joshua 11:21-22).

[Daniel]

The giant of gath is......such an unimaginative and boring title.

[Watchman]

The giant of gath is......such an unimaginative and boring title.

Perhaps when compared to the name Rapha FoG; but The Giant at Gath is much more clearer and non-ambiguous than Giant father of Giants.

[Daniel]

The giant of gath is......such an unimaginative and boring title.

Perhaps when compared to the name Rapha FoG; but The Giant at Gath is much more clearer and non-ambiguous than Giant father of Giants.

You're asserting that there is a redundancy there, when there is not.

[TheJaylor]

We Minnesotans have to watch out for Philly fans...

How about The Gath Giant and then we can nickname him Jupiter or Thaturn? 

[Watchman]

The giant of gath is......such an unimaginative and boring title.

Perhaps when compared to the name Rapha FoG; but The Giant at Gath is much more clearer and non-ambiguous than Giant father of Giants.

You're asserting that there is a redundancy there, when there is not.

Huh? 

[EmJayBee83]

Since there is still debate on the "Rapha" name and who it refers to, the team will discuss going from Rapha to Giant of Gath in order to ensure this character gets the Philistine identifier.

In fairness to those who voted, would there be any objections to this idea?

I do have a serious* objection to this.  You had an extremely close vote as to which card should be selected (within two votes until the last day). I am unsure why it is fair to assume that the original votes for Rapha, the Father of Giants would simply transfer to the Giant of Gath.

Speaking for myself, I specifically voted for Rapha, the Father of Giants with the connotation that he was the "father" of giants. (I mentioned--previously in this thread--my hope that Rapha would breath life into the old giant cards.) Had I known the card was going to be changed to the Giant of Gath, I would have voted for another card. It seems a little unfair to discount the intent of my vote.

*Using serious to mean "not humorous."

[Daniel]

Also, there isn’t really a debate about the name in this thread, besides poor arguments from Watchman. Let’s not change the name that the board members voted for.

[The Guardian]

I do have a serious* objection to this.  You had an extremely close vote as to which card should be selected (within two votes until the last day). I am unsure why it is fair to assume that the original votes for Rapha, the Father of Giants would simply transfer to the Giant of Gath.

Speaking for myself, I specifically voted for Rapha, the Father of Giants with the connotation that he was the "father" of giants. (I mentioned--previously in this thread--my hope that Rapha would breath life into the old giant cards.) Had I known the card was going to be changed to the Giant of Gath, I would have voted for another card. It seems a little unfair to discount the intent of my vote.

*Using serious to mean "not humorous."

Also, there isn’t really a debate about the name in this thread, besides poor arguments from Watchman. Let’s not change the name that the board members voted for.

I do not wish to discount anyone's vote, which is why I asked.

I believe it is worth pointing out that the original entry submitted by jesse specifically referred to the father of the 5 giants mentioned in 2 Samuel 21.

Rapha, Father of Giants (the father of Goliath, Ishbibenob, Lahmi, Saph, and The Twelve-Fingered Giant) (2 Samuel 21:18-24)

A lot of other people voted for Rapha believing he was going to be the Philistine father of the giants from Gath, not the long ago ancestor of the Rephaim, and I don't think they can be faulted for that since the passage was specifically given when the submission was made.

I appreciate your understanding and patience as I continue to mull this over, and I welcome additional constructive feedback.

[Jeremystair]

I'm all for changing his name. I was under the impression that he would be a Philistine when I voted.

[jesse]

I'm sorry for all this confusion, guys. Just to reiterate, the card that I submitted was specifically for the Philistine father of Goliath and his 4 brothers mentioned in 2 Samuel 21 and 1 Chronicles 20. I never thought of, nor mentioned, this individual being the father of any other giants than the 5 Philistine brothers. And thus I thought it was clear (not just to me, but to everyone - especially based on the thread I had made below explaining more about my submission) that he himself was a Philistine.

http://www.cactusforums.com/redemption-card-play/rapha'the-giant'/

I think that given all that has been discussed regarding the name "Rapha", the best name for this individual is "The Giant of Gath" (or just "Giant of Gath")