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« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2012, 06:45:34 PM »
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The reason the battle phase doesn't get anything new is because it has what it needs already. The prep phase is what needed more stuff to do so it got more cards.

And keep in mind almost every card you play in your prep phase it usually for the purpose of eventually winning battles, so really everything new that comes into the prep phase will affect the battle phase.
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« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2012, 06:51:32 PM »
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The average deck contains less than 10 Territory class enhancements and artifacts. the majority of a players deck, and of the game, are still characters and enhancements that activate in the battle phase. Just because you can do a wider VARIETY of things during the prep phase does not mean you inherently do MORE in the prep phase. Most of my prep phases are spent putting down characters to send in to battle.

This Nats T1 2P 1st place deck contains 52 cards of which 22 are primarily used in the battle phase, and only then for speed and walk-ins for lost souls.

The reason the battle phase doesn't get anything new is because it has what it needs already. The prep phase is what needed more stuff to do so it got more cards.

And keep in mind almost every card you play in your prep phase it usually for the purpose of eventually winning battles, so really everything new that comes into the prep phase will affect the battle phase.

Correction: "...for the purpose of eventually winning battles without actually fighting..."
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« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2012, 07:05:43 PM »
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I count 32. 8 of the "other" are list soul so that makes 40 and there are also 4 cards that are used in the battle Phase about half the time. So thats 36 out of 52 - 8 (lost souls really don't count for either phase) = 36/44 = 82%. You're right that IS unbalanced we need more prep phase cards.

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« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2012, 07:12:01 PM »
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I count 32. 8 of the "other" are list soul so that makes 40 and there are also 4 cards that are used in the battle Phase about half the time. So thats 36 out of 52 - 8 (lost souls really don't count for either phase) = 36/44 = 82%. You're right that IS unbalanced we need more prep phase cards.

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« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2012, 07:14:25 PM »
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I counted 33 cards that are used (or at least find the most use) during the battle phase in that deck. What do you propose be added to the game that is usable in the battle phase that we don't already have, beyond neutral characters? You can correct me if I'm wrong STAMP, but I think your problem with the game is less that there's too much in the prep phase, and more than the old way the battle phase would work (with both sides potentially playing two or three enhancements before someone finally lost) has all but completely finished.

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« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2012, 07:21:23 PM »
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I counted 33 cards that are used (or at least find the most use) during the battle phase in that deck. What do you propose be added to the game that is usable in the battle phase that we don't already have, beyond neutral characters? You can correct me if I'm wrong STAMP, but I think your problem with the game is less that there's too much in the prep phase, and more than the old way the battle phase would work (with both sides potentially playing two or three enhancements before someone finally lost) has all but completely finished.

I don't have problems.  I see trends.  I provide feedback to bad trends.  For a generation that prefers to waste away their days playing first-person shooter games, I find it comical that they might prefer a strategy that avoids direct confrontation at all.
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« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2012, 07:24:14 PM »
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Where is my math wrong stamp? 16 characters 8 enhancement used exclusively in the battle phase, 1 used mostly in the battle phase, 3 fortresses all of which focus on the battle phase (TGT ingores, Herod's temple saves your heros, PO gives you a character to block/potentially get around TGT) CM, Grapes, and AOTL are used 90% of the time in battle (100% for Grapes) Harvest Time is usually used following burial or at the beginning of the battle phase to turn a battle challenge in to a rescue attempt. 16+8+1+3+4+1=32/44=.819=82%

Edit: Did STAMP just turn in to the cranky grandfather in the corner of the nursing home that rambles on about "back in my day..." It isn't just our generation that likes to play video games, 53% of adults play them the most avid among them being seniors (source) and actually it makes perfect sense. Just like in redemption, when you play an FPS the goal is to get the most kills while dying the fewest times therefore you want to maximize kills while minimizing the opportunities they have to kill you. I WISH Call of Duty had a TGT equivalent.
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« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2012, 07:27:26 PM »
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I get somewhere around 26 cards.

Either way, this whole "discussion" is kind of ridiculous. I'm pretty tired of older members talking about how they don't like the direction the boards or the game are going. I've literally never read any post that I can remember in which Stamp has admitted he was incorrect about his opinions about the game or the direction in which it is going. At some point, that makes you sound either like a know it all or a whiner. Consider how much you vocalize displeasure with the boards and some posters, you should really stop contributing to that displeasure. Even your tagline "voice of reason" suggests you are the king answer man. You fairly consistently comment that young 'uns don't know what they are saying, and then don't explain why they don't know. How is that a positive contribution to a discussion? You only post one liners half the time. How does that contribute anything to discussions?

I realize Sauce is the same way, and I love Sauce. The difference is, Sauce virtually never wants to be taken seriously. You seem to want to be taken seriously and then do nothing to promote that image and get upset when you aren't taken seriously. 

I don't have problems.  I see trends.  I provide feedback to bad trends.  For a generation that prefers to waste away their days playing first-person shooter games, I find it comical that they might prefer a strategy that avoids direct confrontation at all.

We can only play those games because of your generation. I find it comical that the oldest person in this thread that I noticed is acting the most immature that he isn't getting his way.

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« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2012, 07:36:06 PM »
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I don't have problems.  I see trends.  I provide feedback to bad trends.  For a generation that prefers to waste away their days playing first-person shooter games, I find it comical that they might prefer a strategy that avoids direct confrontation at all.

Just because you see trends that you think are bad, doesn't make them bad trends. Just because you hold an opinion doesn't make it law. I actually find your comment about "a generation that prefers to waste away their days..." to be personally insulting.

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« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2012, 07:38:54 PM »
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I've actually spent more time in this debate in the past couple days than on playing video games. a lot more. I played madden for an hour today. The rest of the time I've been doing homework/other work/cleaning.

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« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2012, 08:50:29 PM »
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Did STAMP just turn in to the cranky grandfather in the corner of the nursing home that rambles on about "back in my day..."

Have to.  CountFount and MJB don't get on the boards often enough.   ;D

I've literally never read any post that I can remember in which Stamp has admitted he was incorrect about his opinions about the game or the direction in which it is going.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!  Has ANYONE admitted they were incorrect about their opinions??!   :laugh:

Just because you see trends that you think are bad, doesn't make them bad trends. Just because you hold an opinion doesn't make it law. I actually find your comment about "a generation that prefers to waste away their days..." to be personally insulting.

If you're the 1 out of 10 that isn't then I applaud thee.  Now turn to the other 9 and tell'em Stamp is insulting THEM.  ;)

I've actually spent more time in this debate in the past couple days than on playing video games. a lot more. I played madden for an hour today. The rest of the time I've been doing homework/other work/cleaning.

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Re: Territory-class Characters?
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2012, 08:50:57 PM »
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So has anyone from the other side ever considered something new for the BATTLE phase?
As someone else who appreciates the back-and-forth of a fun battle, I'm interested in what creative suggestions you would have for such a card-type.

And let's cool down with the statements that threaten to turn what could be a constructive thread into personal attacks (accusing the young of wasting their days, accusing the middle-aged of being cranky).  Consider this a warning to both sides.

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« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2012, 08:55:02 PM »
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I was using the last post more to show that contrary to popular belief I, a 19 year old male, don't spend all that much time on video games. My total hours so far this year (since january first not in the last 365 days) probably totals to less than 20 hours, and over half of those hours are RTS related (because yes that is a video game). STAMP, I bet if you remember back to when you were a kid the older generation made a bunch of generalizations about your generation that weren't true, just like the notion that all my generation does is play video games isn't true either.

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« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2012, 09:29:07 PM »
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I've literally never read any post that I can remember in which Stamp has admitted he was incorrect about his opinions about the game or the direction in which it is going.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!  Has ANYONE admitted they were incorrect about their opinions??!   :laugh:

I could go through Chronic Apathy's posts (just as an example, since a recent discussion he was in came to my mind) and find several opinions/statements he has taken back/revised/etc. If I thought you'd change your mind, I might link them here, but I won't waste my breath.

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Just because you see trends that you think are bad, doesn't make them bad trends. Just because you hold an opinion doesn't make it law. I actually find your comment about "a generation that prefers to waste away their days..." to be personally insulting.

If you're the 1 out of 10 that isn't then I applaud thee.  Now turn to the other 9 and tell'em Stamp is insulting THEM.  ;)
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I "waste" some of my days shooting people on Call of Duty. Does that mean that I am wasting my life? Not at all. I would post examples of how I am not wasting my life, but in this Christian circle, I am leery it would easily be construed as being prideful.

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I've actually spent more time in this debate in the past couple days than on playing video games. a lot more. I played madden for an hour today. The rest of the time I've been doing homework/other work/cleaning.

{...Stamp, ol' man, you need to be more subtle...they might catch on to your ulterior motive...}

Here's a great example of you being condescending and not helping anyone promote discussion. Check back here when you can engage in intelligent conversation without resorting to double entendres and other sarcastic remarks to veil your motives and points. It isn't helping anyone.

Thanks for not responding to any of my substantive criticism, by the way.

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« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2012, 01:16:39 PM »
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So has anyone from the other side ever considered something new for the BATTLE phase?
As someone else who appreciates the back-and-forth of a fun battle, I'm interested in what creative suggestions you would have for such a card-type.

And let's cool down with the statements that threaten to turn what could be a constructive thread into personal attacks (accusing the young of wasting their days, accusing the middle-aged of being cranky).  Consider this a warning to both sides.

A. I've already made my suggestions and they were thoroughly ignored...even more so since the whole unredeemable captured demon thingy.  ;)

B. I call a spade a spade.  So did Jesus.  :thumbup:  By all means lock the thread if you feel the need, but I think there's a good dialogue going on.  Not every conversation has to be like it's in Mr. Rogers neighborhood.

I was using the last post more to show that contrary to popular belief I, a 19 year old male, don't spend all that much time on video games. My total hours so far this year (since january first not in the last 365 days) probably totals to less than 20 hours, and over half of those hours are RTS related (because yes that is a video game). STAMP, I bet if you remember back to when you were a kid the older generation made a bunch of generalizations about your generation that weren't true, just like the notion that all my generation does is play video games isn't true either.

Then I know if I ever go to a NE tournament I'll have the privilege of having interesting and constructive chats with you, Chronic and Kittens whilst the other chuckleheads are playing their video games.  Does Roy come to your tournaments?  I believe I would very much enjoy a multiplayer game with the 5 of us.  :)

Oh, the older generation was correct about many things when I was a kid...we just never admitted it and really didn't realize it until we were older.  Don't worry, enjoy your youth.  There'll be plenty of time to consider it through a wiser lens later in life.  ;)

I've literally never read any post that I can remember in which Stamp has admitted he was incorrect about his opinions about the game or the direction in which it is going.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!  Has ANYONE admitted they were incorrect about their opinions??!   :laugh:

I could go through Chronic Apathy's posts (just as an example, since a recent discussion he was in came to my mind) and find several opinions/statements he has taken back/revised/etc. If I thought you'd change your mind, I might link them here, but I won't waste my breath.

Interesting how you chose someone else's example...do you have one of yourself?   ::)

I "waste" some of my days shooting people on Call of Duty. Does that mean that I am wasting my life? Not at all. I would post examples of how I am not wasting my life, but in this Christian circle, I am leery it would easily be construed as being prideful.

No need.  You're probably right that I might not agree with your reasons.  Then again, I might.  Crazier things have happened.  :)

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Here's a great example of you being condescending and not helping anyone promote discussion. Check back here when you can engage in intelligent conversation without resorting to double entendres and other sarcastic remarks to veil your motives and points. It isn't helping anyone.

Thanks for not responding to any of my substantive criticism, by the way.

So I won't respond.  Rather, I'll apologize to you.  I very much enjoy that you are a fun and challenging adversary in fantasy sports and would hate to lose that.  :thumbup:

Look, everyone, this isn't Sunday school.  Grown-up conversations can touch on sensitive subjects (even non-Church subjects), but that doesn't mean it can't be a valuable conversation.
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« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2012, 04:03:10 PM »
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I think this has gone beyond being constructive (or answering my initial question), and I'm tired of listening to this conversation, so I'm locking this.
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