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A alternate win condition, let me know what you think!

The Father
Good Dominate
Identifier: if The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are completed, you win the game. Same card as Glory of the Lord
-Place on an OT Temple.  Restrict opponents from removing from play.  Once per upkeep If you have a priest from this temple in play, you may discard an animal to convert a OT human EC to a hero of any brigade.  Do this three times to complete this card.

The Son
Good Dominate and 7/7 multi-human hero.  Same card as The Son of God
Identifier: If The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are completed, you win the game
-Protected from demons.  If this hero is removed from play or captured by an opponent, return it to territory after 3 turns.  It then is restricted from being removed from territory by opponents and is completed.

The Holy Spirit
Good Dominate
Identifier: if The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are completed, you win the game.  Cannot be in the same deck as Angel of the Lord
-Place in territory.  Restrict opponents from removing from play.  Enhancements used by NT heroes that used to be evil characters cannot be negated.  If one rescues a LS, this card is completed. 

To be honest, I feel Alt win conditions should be given to a specific deck, not just made generic and fairly easy to accomplish.

The reason this is restrict is because I wanted these dominated to not be able to be hurt by an opponent.  This works thematically, and if one of these dominates gets discarded then you lose the game.  If anything deserves to be powerful in this game with restrict abilities, it's The Holy Trinity.  Restrict is the best way to protect them with all the "regardless of protection" and CBN/CBP cards out there. 

I don't think any of them are necessary easy to complete.  The Father requires you to have 3 animals and 2 OT EC (unless you want to count on your opponent on having some of them, which is never a given.  It also takes at least 3 turns once you get all the cards out you need.  The Son has to have your opponent remove Him from play, so if they can stop him with immune/protect abilities then he cant win, plus he takes 3 turns after that to complete.  The Holy Spirit requires you to have a NT EC, convert it, and have it rescue, there are lots of things that can go wrong in there.  You have to have all these cards in your deck along with a defense that can stand up to your opponent with you get everything set up What would you do to make it harder?

A converted NT EC that comes to mind would be Sapphira or Saul/Paul.  I was toying with The Holy Spirit not restricting the hero from being harmed and just being added to battle when a converted NT EC is in battle (and being returned to territory after battle) but making all NT good enhancement CBN.  This way the hero can still be hurt, as Christians are sometimes martyred, but still gets a benefit for having The Holy Spirit.

For The Father, maybe you have to have a temple and OT priest of that temple in play to make Him work?

Oh I agree for sure, this would be bad for the game.  A deck like this would make only like 1-2 RA per game, which is no fun for anyone.  This is just a thought experiment to see if it would be balanced and make thematically accurate cards

I still prefer my Alt win condition as it's limited to 1 archetype, the BP is still the focus, and your Opponent has a good amount of ways to counter. Not to mention it typically requires 7+ battles rather then 5.

http://www.cactusforums.com/new-card-ideas/alternate-win-condition-38181/

Considering your opponent would never have to block your battle challenges, that doesn't really work.

So basically your idea is to force people to use mono-angels 

So the opponent will never accept a BC, you are just triggering playing enhancements or forcing battles.  in the end you still don't do that much battling.  and if its faster to rescue 5 LS, why would you use it?.  Also, if I convert one of your EC, you basically lose the game unless you run one of the few cards in the game that shuffles cards like that or you run mono demons.  I'm not saying mine is anymore playable, I'm just trying to see what The Trinity would look like as cards.

Updated made to my cards

I checked, the only way to hit a dominant that is CBN protected would be to first use Seek and Destroy against a lone hero then Plot to Kill, Blasphemies or Desecrate the Temple. Even then you could get it back with TSC. I really don't think its worth making the wording so ugly and misappropriating restrict just to make sure one really specific scenario can't happen (especially when you can plan for that situation by holding off on using TSC if your opponent is using black).

I like that Father is a bit more complicated now. Do be aware that in changing your wording on Holy Spirit, The Bride of Christ would qualify so you've got a 3/3 multibrigade hero whose enhancements are CBN running around.  I'd revert it to talking about heroes that used to be evil characters rather than just converted characters (as you could also technically get that to work using Love, thereby allowing any N.T. Hero to use a chosen brigade's enhancements and make them all CBN. Yikes!). My biggest suggested tweak is making Son of God 14/7 so that Jesus has the distinction of the highest offense in the game (could do 13 but 14 seems more proper) and so that he cannot be body-blocked by any single EC. I'm seeing a lot of cool possibilities for meta health if these cards existed, well done!

Well if you're going to die on that hill, restrict can't target cards so it won't work anyway.

Why have an alt win only work with one theme?  I see no reason for it to have to, it limits creativity.  I don't see how it's more fun really, if anything alt wins are less fun because you and your opponent are basically playing different games

You could discard The Son with Stone of Thebez since He's also a human hero.  I am also trying to make the future proof so that cards made later won't discard them.  If these were made, I don't want future sets to have to be made to not discard them.  I see no problem with having God have a restrict ability.

Alt win conditions should be more exclusive to a theme so that every single card doesn't need to be checked to ensure that it won't make the Alt win condition to easy to make. That's been the problem with Yugioh, they made Exodia too easy to accomplish and now they can't have any draw cards that don't have a high cost or exclusive to a theme and they've had to ban cards because a theme is able to accomplish Exodia to easily.

If an Alt win condition is exclusive to a theme, then all that needs to be concerned about is cards that function in that theme.

The problem comes with cards that could manipulate turn durations or duplicating their effects and more. Not to mention, it's still really hard to discard Good Dom's from Territory.

And honestly, Exodia isn't that hard to get. But the problem is that they've had to be very careful with making new draw cards because any stupid combo could end up breaking Exodia and suddenly the game would be filled with Exodia decks that gets aggravating fast.