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Offline Minister Polarius

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Superstars
« on: July 18, 2012, 01:01:49 PM »
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An attempt to make the superstars playable, starting with Adam.

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2012, 01:09:59 PM »
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Sad day my stupid phone won't show me and I have no other access lol
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2012, 01:45:35 PM »
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Quote from: jbeers285 on July 18, 2012, 01:09:59 PM
Sad day my stupid phone won't show me and I have no other access lol

It's not just your phone, my computer won't show it either...
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2012, 01:46:08 PM »
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Can't see it till I get home, but If your doing superstars Abraham gets my vote for most needed reprint.
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2012, 02:26:02 PM »
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To those saying you can't see it, I think you have to log into Redemption Connect to see it.
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2012, 02:35:24 PM »
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Drrek is correct I logged into RTS via my phone and I can see it now
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2012, 02:56:44 PM »
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For those who can't read it:

Adam, 8/3 Blue Hero, Genesis 2:22
Search deck for Eve. May band with Eve. Ignores Animals. Protected from Discard when you have no other Males.

In my opinion, he's alright, but lacks some special oomph. Protection from discard in Genesis is already present in a better form with Joseph, and unless there were a bunch of support, I don't see this getting much play. (And why would he ignore animals, when he sure didn't ignore the serpent?)
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2012, 03:14:17 PM »
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Well, as to the animals, read the story again and you may think otherwise ;) It's also due to the fact that all Animals are Evil in Redemption and since Adam had dominion over them, they can't block him.

How could you not see him getting played? One of the chief elements in Genesis is character tutoring, and this is a Hero that tutors the best tutor and then bands to her, allowing her to tutor immediately. Sounds pretty powerful to me. The protection from discard was just kind of thrown in to give him another tool in his belt.
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2012, 09:11:35 PM »
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I completely agree that Adam needs a usable reprint...and I really like this card.  It seems pretty balanced to me as well, while being useful (as Pol pointed out).
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2012, 09:41:04 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 18, 2012, 03:14:17 PM
How could you not see him getting played? One of the chief elements in Genesis is character tutoring, and this is a Hero that tutors the best tutor and then bands to her, allowing her to tutor immediately. Sounds pretty powerful to me. The protection from discard was just kind of thrown in to give him another tool in his belt.

I disagree that Eve is the best tutor.  Stone Pillar is better (though it does have a cost), because you can search for anything, and same goes for Answer to Prayer.   Even Rachel is a better tutor in my opinion since she gets the better hero she tutors out into battle, instead of leaving you stuck with her in battle.  Eve does a brute force type of tutor (which I think is not as good as a tutor that always gets you what you want), and leaves her self in battle, where she's not a very good hero for genesis (can't use Joe before Pharaoh, and has no access to cb-anything battle winners)
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2012, 10:09:22 PM »
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I'll take a +a lot with no cost over a +1 with a cost most of the time. I often don't even use Stone Pillar because my deck runs so fast without it eating up my slot.
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2012, 10:25:19 PM »
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It's a great card but a little bland. I'm fine with it as a playable card but I would like to see some imagination with superstars of the bible.
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2012, 10:32:33 PM »
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Yeah, that's always the trick with Genesis characters is giving them fitting abilities without entering the realm of OP.
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2012, 12:39:18 AM »
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I like this Adam, sure right now it isn't terribly useful, it is maybe on the mid level good, its not Jacob, Joseph or Benjamin good, but it could see some play, but it could be good for a pre-Abraham sub Genesis theme.

I would give him a little more, how about do something with Garden of Eden (which needs a reprint into a fortress), maybe:

Adam, 8/3 Blue Hero, Genesis 2:22
Search deck for Eve. May band with Eve. Ignores Animals. If Garden of Eden is in play protect Adam and Eve from Discard and you may draw 1.
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2012, 01:06:36 AM »
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Be careful about searches plus draws, we have seen what that can turn into. Imagine I have Rachel and simion in play. I start my turn drawing 3. One is Adam. Start the rescue with him, search for and band to eve. Draw 1. Eve checks 4 cards, 2 are humans. You now have 2 characters in battle protected from discard and got a plus 4.

This is being conservative with Eve's reveal. I like it because it's good, just need to be careful with it because gen decks already have a large amount of search ability.
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2012, 04:50:36 AM »
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I'd like an ability that represents Adam as the original head of the human race.  Something like:

"While Adam is in play, abilities that target Adam also target all humans in play and set-aside for the same effect."  What happens to Adam happens to us all.

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Re: Superstars
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2012, 04:56:21 PM »
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Great ability, but making bunker-busting that easy doesn't sit well with me.
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Re: Superstars
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2012, 06:53:15 PM »
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Quote from: galadgawyn on July 19, 2012, 04:50:36 AM
I'd like an ability that represents Adam as the original head of the human race.  Something like:

"While Adam is in play, abilities that target Adam also target all humans in play and set-aside for the same effect."  What happens to Adam happens to us all.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 20, 2012, 04:56:21 PM
Great ability, but making bunker-busting that easy doesn't sit well with me.

How about a "redirect" or "instead" with X limits? 
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