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Specific Dominants
« on: December 27, 2013, 12:52:26 PM »
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The Lord is With Us
Good Dominant
"Negate evil protect abilities this turn. The second good Enhancement you play during this turn's Battle Phase is treated as having 'regardless of protection.'"
~Numbers 14:9

Heal Every Sickness
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"Negate and discard all decrease, poison, and disease cards. Heal all characters and return them to printed abilities (*/*)."
~Matthew 9:35
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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2013, 02:08:21 PM »
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The Lord is With Us
Good Dominant
"Negate evil protect abilities this turn. Your good Enhancements are treated as having "regardless of protection" this turn."
~Numbers 14:9

Heal Every Sickness
Good Dominant
"Negate and discard all decrease, poison, and disease cards. Heal all characters and return them to printed abilities (*/*)."
~Matthew 9:35




I feel like The Lord is With Us might be overpowered, but I couldn't think of any other way to get around CBN protection. It used to say good cards but I changed it to enhancements in an effort to reduce the power a little.

The only way TLiWU wouldn't be OPd is if it negated Play abilities as well (so that ET+AoCP wouldn't go back to being an every deck play). If it had that provision, it would only be useful for a handful of niche situations, and thus wouldn't be chosen over other doms in most decks.

Unfortunately, HES would never see play in T1 in the current meta. There is just no way that someone could justify a dom slot for a card with relatively little impact.
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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2013, 02:20:46 PM »
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I see what you mean about HES, though I've seen Samaria decks a lot in T1 (perhaps that's just among the people I play, though).

For TLiWU, if I removed the "regardless of protection" part and gave it "Protect your Heroes from the first evil Enhancement played this turn." instead would that make it less powerful but still useful?

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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2013, 08:38:51 PM »
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I think that it would still negate protect forts,  leading back to the Prof's worries.
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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2013, 08:47:09 PM »
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The lord with us is definitly op
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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2013, 10:47:23 PM »
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Updated "The Lord is With Us" and changed the "regardless" portion of the ability to add a sort of condition to it.

Not sure if this is enough to balance it.

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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2013, 11:23:47 PM »
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I don't like the regardless of protection myself, but it now seems a little odd with the 'second' bit.  And to be fair, it is relatively simple to get a D2-Play weapon on a hero or convert an EC with one, which would accomplish the same purpose as a ET+AOCP and be regardless of protection with the new wording.  Also, negating evil protect abilities still causes some of the concerns mentioned because of negating protect forts.  I agree with Prof about a clause negating play in general, which would resolve a lot of the potential abuses, even though I don't think it would be as widespread in T1 given that defense is not widespread in T1.

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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2013, 10:34:37 AM »
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If someone has an alternative way to get around CBN protection besides adding "regardless of protection" please feel free to offer it as that's the only reason it's in the ability, lol.

I guess I'm just not really sure why negating protect forts for one turn is really so bad. Most offenses don't even have a protect fort so the likes of Wrath of Satan can easily wreck them even without the help of a dominant, so why is it so bad to negate a protect fort for a single turn? You still have to have an enhancement to play after playing the dominant, and it's not really affecting the battle anymore than that enhancement normally would (since protect forts don't usually protect in battle anyway) unless the character has a built-in protect (which is what this was designed to get around; Foreign Wives, etc.).

ET + AoCP is always going to be a good combo, yet you don't see it in every deck now. I don't think this dominant would suddenly cause everyone to start using it even if it doesn't negate play abilities. At least not in Type 1. I haven't played T2 enough to really speak on that, though since Dominants are still limited to 1 there as well it would still only be usable for one turn per game.

I know I'm usually the one rallying for more power to defenses, but in this case I don't see the issue. Unless I'm missing something obvious?

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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2013, 11:48:04 AM »
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Like I said, I don't have as much of a concern about wide-spread destruction off of this combo in T1 (T2...maybe more of a concern, but it does require a dominant and other set-up).  I was just pointing out that your new ability didn't resolve his concerns is all.

I guess I'm not as much a fan of getting around the regardless of protection because that seems to be the only way to put in hard counters to 'undesirable' tactics (like with FW).

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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2013, 12:12:50 PM »
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I suppose you're right. It was mostly an idea to use the verse I read, I'm not heart-set on it, haha.

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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2013, 12:53:31 PM »
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oh wow your making em pull out the reach aocp.  ;)

I don't like regardless of protection either and never have. Its okay on defensive cards like Stone of Thebez but that's only because Bullet Proof Gideon got out of hand fast. Fundamentally its just a lame cop out that I will wager was more of an accident (at first) then anything. Plague of Frogs in e and f starter, to my knowledge, was the first ability like that and ought to have said "negate immunity" in stead of "regardless of Immunity". I don't even know if the Playtesters were trying to counter Balaams Disobedience or not. The long arguments about Frogs vs Disobedience suggested that it just worked out that way. That's a long way of saying offense doesn't need regardless of protection. Foreign Wives has been the best attempt at saving type 1 in redemption HISTORY. I suppose people may feel the need to counter her a little bit down the road but anything other than a niche counter (like browarods card) would really be a mistake. Personally, I would rather not see counters to her at all

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Re: Specific Dominants
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2014, 12:47:17 PM »
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Make TLiWU say "Your good enhancements gain the ability "Regardless of protection" when targeting evil cards in battle".  Which is basically a counter to FW...  Which I'm not sure needs counters yet. 
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