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Well despite the obvious issue of it being a Jesus card, (which I don't really have an issue with, but I know others will) I think it should only target an EC in a Territory, so it's not a battle winner.
I like this.Earlier I suggested another Son of Man with the same idea of a more strategic, single-shot ability. I think we may even be using the same verse.Rewriting to the newer wording...Son of ManGood DominantIdentifier: Same unique card as Son of GodYou may banish this card to negate and rescue any Lost Soul (including your own)."For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."Luke 19:10I personally would never play this in T1 over either the traditional SoG or Bobbert's version--as giving up a free Lost Soul with TSC or NJ is too high a cost. I would, however play this in T2 where it would always will provide a guaranteed block in addition to a LS.Quote from: Ironisaac on May 04, 2018, 11:35:19 AMWell despite the obvious issue of it being a Jesus card, (which I don't really have an issue with, but I know others will) I think it should only target an EC in a Territory, so it's not a battle winner.The potential battle winner for a second LS makes up for not getting a "free" second with TSC or NJ. For Bobbert's version you could also add "Identifier: Same Unique card as Son of God and The Second Coming"
Earlier I suggested another Son of Man with the same idea of a more strategic, single-shot ability. I think we may even be using the same verse.
Well despite the obvious issue of it being a Jesus card, (which I don't really have an issue with, but I know others will) I think it should only target an EC in a Territory, so it's not a battle winner. Otherwise, I really like it! I think I may still use SoG over this, but it is a nice alternative.
As is, this is just going to replace SoG and TSC's job will be to double up AotL. And since it can target any EC, you can effectively rescue 2 with just this card if you are blocked by a lone human EC.Math:This + TSC + AotL = 4 rescues and 3 ECs removed > SoG + TSC + AotL = 3 rescues and 1-2 ECs removedQED, this replaces SoG in my decks
I mean... we already have a Jesus card. It's called Son of God and it goes in every deck (unless your name is Gabe John (Earley), apparently ).
Quote from: EmJayBee83 on May 04, 2018, 11:45:20 AMEarlier I suggested another Son of Man with the same idea of a more strategic, single-shot ability. I think we may even be using the same verse.The old 2014 thread I linked in the first line includes that as the first pic (and unsuccessfully tries to link to your thread, it looks like) - credit where it's due, although I only remembered that thread halfway through designing this card
I'm not exactly sure what the wording is on the new-ish "Lost Souls that have been selected by Rescuer's Choice cannot be rescued by anyone else's dominants" rule is, but if it is just that then this wouldn't work unless that was reworded I guess. I think the ability is definitely viable if it worked the way intended but I'm also hesitant to add any more dom blocks to T2-Multi for the same reason that the rule was put in place.
Son of ManGood DominantIdentifier: Same unique card as Son of GodYou may banish this card to rescue a human evil character."For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."Luke 19:10
I have heard arguments that Captain of the Host was pre-incarnation Jesus (since he didn't rebuke Josh for worshipping him, like every other angel). That said, AotL references Acts 12, Luke 2, or Exodus 3 (depending on the version), so we can fairly confidently say that it's not Jesus.
And again, when the Son speaks to Moses, He says, I have come down to deliver this people.
The whole passage [Exodus 3--mjb] shows that it was God who appeared to Moses. But Moses called Him an “angel” in order to let us know that it was not God the Father whom he saw — for whose angel could the Father be? — but the Only-begotten Son, the Angel of Great Counsel.
FYI, viewing the Angel of the Lord references in the OT as theophanies is pretty common, and different than claiming Jesus is/was an angel.
Quote from: Bobbert on May 07, 2018, 11:29:09 AMI have heard arguments that Captain of the Host was pre-incarnation Jesus (since he didn't rebuke Josh for worshipping him, like every other angel). That said, AotL references Acts 12, Luke 2, or Exodus 3 (depending on the version), so we can fairly confidently say that it's not Jesus. FWIW--Many of the Early Church Fathers held that the member of the trinity speaking in Exodus 3 was Christ. Justin Martyr is probably the most well known for equating The Angel of the Lord == the Christ, but here are a couple of other examples.Quote from: IrenaeusAnd again, when the Son speaks to Moses, He says, I have come down to deliver this people.Quote from: Theodoret of CyrusThe whole passage [Exodus 3--mjb] shows that it was God who appeared to Moses. But Moses called Him an “angel” in order to let us know that it was not God the Father whom he saw — for whose angel could the Father be? — but the Only-begotten Son, the Angel of Great Counsel.
Indeed, it is an interesting topic and I appreciate you providing solid points for discussion. I hope my initial response did not come across as dismissive--I guess I was looking at it more from a gameplay standpoint than a theological standpoint. I just preferred that can of worms ("SoG & AotL = same card") not be opened.
(side note)I dont get these kind of talks with other card games i play!
