Author Topic: Son of God Reprint (Read 7197 times)

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #25 on:** March 12, 2010, 11:15:27 AM »

People are alot harder to justify banning then cards though. No one argued that Colin was a trouble maker but if say I got banned because of random silliness, or anyone else, there would be quite a bit of explaining to do and chances are all you would get would be a short "He was causing trouble" leaving those who like me (albeit they be few) feeling hurt. You bann NJ, everyone rejoices, then you bann TGT, everyone rejoices, then aocp... notice how the chances of hurt aren't there in the cards? Not to mention, the cards can't fight back.

Master KChief · « **Reply #26 on:** March 12, 2010, 11:26:16 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 12, 2010, 11:14:28 AM

Secondly, this is not the only other way to fix this. As I have said before, we can easily solve this problem with cards! Many people on the boards have posted ideas for single cards that could solve the dominant problem. We have asked the cardmakers to power down dominants. Everyone is aware that a lot of people want NJ banned. Something is going to happen. I would at least wait until after the next set releases before driving for the banning of any cards.

creating more cards to counter the meta does not always fix it. see: sog, fa, nj, goys. those run of cards are, if anything, the epitome of a slippery slope. and still, after all these years, the t1 meta is still broken. creating more cards has proven futile; banning is the healthy remedy.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #27 on:** March 12, 2010, 11:58:22 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on March 11, 2010, 11:48:42 PM

Son of God
"Negate all special abilities on Lost Souls (except the Lost Souls card). Rescue any Lost Soul in play. Protect all Lost Souls from New Jerusalem."

Very intriguing idea...

Two things if this is a reprint, then they can still use the other SOG. I think more people would play old SOG+NJ then this SOG. Another thing, if this card is played as is, would your opponent be able to play NJ?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #28 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:06:31 PM »

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on March 12, 2010, 11:58:22 AM

Quote from: The Guardian on March 11, 2010, 11:48:42 PM
Son of God
"Negate all special abilities on Lost Souls (except the Lost Souls card). Rescue any Lost Soul in play. Protect all Lost Souls from New Jerusalem."

Very intriguing idea...

Two things if this is a reprint, then they can still use the other SOG. I think more people would play old SOG+NJ then this SOG. Another thing, if this card is played as is, would your opponent be able to play NJ?

They would during a different phase of the game, unless the card said something like this:

Son of God

"Protect all Lost Souls from New Jerusalem for the remainder of the game. Negate all special abilities on Lost Souls, and rescue any Lost Soul in play."

That way, the new version may actually be used, since you could play it before your opponent to stop his NJ.

Master KChief · « **Reply #29 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:08:09 PM »

im really loving this new son of god. son of god should be errata'd to say this.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #30 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:08:44 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 12, 2010, 12:06:31 PM

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on March 12, 2010, 11:58:22 AM
Quote from: The Guardian on March 11, 2010, 11:48:42 PM
Son of God
"Negate all special abilities on Lost Souls (except the Lost Souls card). Rescue any Lost Soul in play. Protect all Lost Souls from New Jerusalem."

Very intriguing idea...

Two things if this is a reprint, then they can still use the other SOG. I think more people would play old SOG+NJ then this SOG. Another thing, if this card is played as is, would your opponent be able to play NJ?

They would during a different phase of the game, unless the card said something like this:

Son of God

"Protect all Lost Souls from New Jerusalem for the remainder of the game. Negate all special abilities on Lost Souls, and rescue any Lost Soul in play."

That way, the new version may actually be used, since you could play it before your opponent to stop his NJ.

It needs an exception for the 2 & 3 liner.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #31 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:10:53 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 12, 2010, 12:06:31 PM

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on March 12, 2010, 11:58:22 AM
Quote from: The Guardian on March 11, 2010, 11:48:42 PM
Son of God
"Negate all special abilities on Lost Souls (except the Lost Souls card). Rescue any Lost Soul in play. Protect all Lost Souls from New Jerusalem."

Very intriguing idea...

Two things if this is a reprint, then they can still use the other SOG. I think more people would play old SOG+NJ then this SOG. Another thing, if this card is played as is, would your opponent be able to play NJ?

In this case, I'd play the newer one instead of the older one. Most decks rely on SOG/NJ combo...if you get rid of one of the cards, they'd have to work harder and maybe their deck isn't build to do that...But would there be a way to get the card out whenever your want besides PoC promo?

They would during a different phase of the game, unless the card said something like this:

Son of God

"Protect all Lost Souls from New Jerusalem for the remainder of the game. Negate all special abilities on Lost Souls, and rescue any Lost Soul in play."

That way, the new version may actually be used, since you could play it before your opponent to stop his NJ.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #32 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:19:35 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on March 12, 2010, 12:08:44 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 12, 2010, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on March 12, 2010, 11:58:22 AM
Quote from: The Guardian on March 11, 2010, 11:48:42 PM
Son of God
"Negate all special abilities on Lost Souls (except the Lost Souls card). Rescue any Lost Soul in play. Protect all Lost Souls from New Jerusalem."

Very intriguing idea...

Two things if this is a reprint, then they can still use the other SOG. I think more people would play old SOG+NJ then this SOG. Another thing, if this card is played as is, would your opponent be able to play NJ?

They would during a different phase of the game, unless the card said something like this:

Son of God

"Protect all Lost Souls from New Jerusalem for the remainder of the game. Negate all special abilities on Lost Souls, and rescue any Lost Soul in play."

That way, the new version may actually be used, since you could play it before your opponent to stop his NJ.

It needs an exception for the 2 & 3 liner.

The 2 & 3 Liners no longer have a special ability, they have identifiers (or the special ability is CBN, can't remember which). Either way, whatever is written on the card cannot be stopped in any way.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #33 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:20:22 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on March 12, 2010, 12:08:44 PM

It needs an exception for the 2 & 3 liner.

False - the Lost Souls card has errata/play as. The must be rescued twice is an identifier, not a special ability. Thus you can't neagte it.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #34 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:24:20 PM »

ok, that's good to know. I'm lost on what actually happened with the ability/identifier war...

I was just going off of the REG which says it's an SA.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #35 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:28:03 PM »

It was changed so that new cards wouldn't always have to say "except the Proverbs 22:14 Lost Souls card" which all LS negaters up to that point had had to include.

ACe · « **Reply #36 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:32:00 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 12, 2010, 11:03:08 AM

Quote from: ACe on March 12, 2010, 10:42:58 AM
I for one quit yugioh becasue when i would get the awesome card they always banned it.
This is a great illustration of why not to ban. If you're going to ban a card you'll need to do it almost immediately after it is realeased, or else people will start to put their life savings into these powerful cards and then suddenly realise that they are worthless, which is an extreme discouragement.

Also, when you ban one card, you will start to ban cards more and more and you won't be able to stop. Then people will start having to keep track of what cards they can use and which they can't, and already having to deal with admittedly comlex rules, a lot of newer players will probably just turn away from the game.

I didnt quit yugioh just because of the banned cards, I quit cause the reprinted the ultra rares and secret rares to commons decreasing any value of the original card. If they ban it they ban it. I won a game yesterday and I did even use AotL and NJ I just made 4 rescues and played SoG.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #37 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:32:23 PM »

thats why i think my idea is on the right track. Instead of banning NJ, come up with a way to soften it's effect- which is essentially what the ruling with playing it with only your own SoG did...

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #38 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:36:14 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 12, 2010, 12:06:31 PM

Son of God

"Protect all Lost Souls from New Jerusalem for the remainder of the game. Negate all special abilities on Lost Souls, and rescue any Lost Soul in play."

Oh yes, put this in the 2011 starter decks for sure!

Master KChief · « **Reply #39 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:40:20 PM »

Quote from: ACe on March 12, 2010, 12:32:00 PM

I won a game yesterday and I did even use AotL and NJ I just made 4 rescues and played SoG.

i played the entire month of november ROOT without aotl in my deck by mistake, and i still won. proves games and tournaments can still be won.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #40 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:44:54 PM »

I played a couple games of ROOT without NJ...the first time I just didn't think I drew it, the second time I thought RTS had made it disappear somehow (my opponent was playing a TGT deck where the TGT seemed to disappear somehow). Eventually I looked at the decklist and saw that it was just plain missing.

I still won both games though.

ACe · « **Reply #41 on:** March 12, 2010, 12:53:11 PM »

it jsut proves that there is no reason to ban a card. you can still win with out them.

Master KChief · « **Reply #42 on:** March 12, 2010, 02:42:59 PM »

...um, actually, thats more reason to ban nj. more support as to games can still be won without it.

ACe · « **Reply #43 on:** March 12, 2010, 02:46:52 PM »

Your right! but i saw the Rob and the play testers will make the right decision

Professoralstad · « **Reply #44 on:** March 12, 2010, 03:14:30 PM »

I really think a Son of God like the one suggested would be awesome. Whether or not banning cards is a good idea (I'm not sure how I feel about the idea, but I would lean towards not supporting it), I don't think it would ever happen, unless Rob changes his long held opinion of it. This SoG would have multiple strategic advantages, and while it wouldn't eliminate NJ entirely, it would certainly make players think twice about how/when they use it.

metalpsalm · « **Reply #45 on:** March 16, 2010, 04:47:22 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 11, 2010, 12:29:50 PM

Quote from: Korunks on March 11, 2010, 11:06:16 AM
Rescue any Lost Soul in play, regardless of special ability.
I'm fine with this, as long as you say "May not be played with New Jerusalem."

Agreed, as long as it's worded rightly. For extra power, there has to be a price. What about a dominant that just says "I WIN"? OP?

ACe · « **Reply #46 on:** March 16, 2010, 09:11:28 AM »

We just got back from a tourney and 3 of my playgroup kids traded and bought NJ if it was banned, they would be really upset. sure they might not draw it in a game but its the fact that it is in there deck.

metalpsalm · « **Reply #47 on:** March 16, 2010, 09:47:19 AM »

Quote from: ACe on March 16, 2010, 09:11:28 AM

We just got back from a tourney and 3 of my playgroup kids traded and bought NJ if it was banned, they would be really upset. sure they might not draw it in a game but its the fact that it is in there deck.

the fact is that NJ is not overpowered, and it introduces an important Biblical concept to young people. It limits the use of Son of God and now with the ruling that you can only play it with YOUR SOG, it's really toned down from back in the day.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #48 on:** March 16, 2010, 11:17:06 AM »

Quote from: metalpsalm on March 16, 2010, 09:47:19 AM

Quote from: ACe on March 16, 2010, 09:11:28 AM
We just got back from a tourney and 3 of my playgroup kids traded and bought NJ if it was banned, they would be really upset. sure they might not draw it in a game but its the fact that it is in there deck.
the fact is that NJ is not overpowered, and it introduces an important Biblical concept to young people. It limits the use of Son of God and now with the ruling that you can only play it with YOUR SOG, it's really toned down from back in the day.

Back when any sog was played it was quite OP'd.

Korunks · « **Reply #49 on:** March 16, 2010, 11:22:44 AM »

I also do not believe NJ is OP. I feel it needs a little balance. Oh I just had a neat card idea, new thread's away.

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Author Topic: Son of God Reprint (Read 7197 times)