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Ruth Stuff
« on: August 16, 2016, 10:30:19 PM »
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Boaz
6/5 White Hero
"May band with a character in any genealogy of Jesus. Cannot be Negated if Perez is in your Discard Pile."
~Same

Orpah
1/4 Black Evil Character
-Canaanite-
"If you have initiative during battle, withdraw all characters in battle. Cannot be Prevented unless another female is in battle."
~Same

Naomi
4/5 White Hero, TC
"When a Female (including this one) is played from hand, you may Convert her to a Hero in brigade of your choice regardless of protection. Widows ignore demons."
~Same

Ruth
4/3 White Hero, TC
"Boaz' Special Ability activates twice when he enters battle. Ruth cards Cannot be Interrupted by a lone Evil Character."
~Same

Elders of the City
10/10 White Hero
"If banded into battle by Boaz's Sandal, search Discard Pile for Boaz's Sandal. Each player draws X. If your opponent has drawn more than you this turn, may play an Enhancement which Cannot be Negated."
~Same

Kinsman Redeemer
6/1 White Covenant
-May be activated on Melchizedek, Joseph, Reuben, or Boaz-
"If your Human Hero is being removed from battle, but not Discarded or Converted, you may Discard this card instead."
~Exodus 2:6
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Re: Ruth Stuff
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2016, 12:25:12 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 16, 2016, 10:30:19 PM
Orpah
1/4 Black Evil Character
-Canaanite-
"If you have initiative during battle, withdraw all characters in battle. Cannot be Prevented unless another female is in battle."
~Same

Not sure how I feel about an ability that triggers when you have regular initiative.  Seems messy.  Also, a 1/4 character that is a CBP battlewinner seems really really strong.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 16, 2016, 10:30:19 PM
Naomi
4/5 White Hero, TC
"When a Female (including this one) is played from hand, you may Convert her to a Hero in brigade of your choice regardless of protection. Widows ignore demons."
~Same

I would make the Female be OT, and would exclude Clay from the brigades she could convert to. 

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 16, 2016, 10:30:19 PM
Ruth
4/3 White Hero, TC
"Boaz' Special Ability activates twice when he enters battle. Ruth cards Cannot be Interrupted by a lone Evil Character."
~Same

Granting CBI from Territory is incredibly strong.  Abilities of 4/3 with the potential to play CBI battlewinners is really strong too - most characters that grant CBI or CBN have disadvantageous numbers like 8/7, 7/8, 7/7, 7/6, etc.
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Re: Ruth Stuff
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2016, 09:35:06 AM »
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Not sure how I feel about an ability that triggers when you have regular initiative.  Seems messy.
What do you have against Silver Trumpets? Oh, you mean my card?  ;)

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Also, a 1/4 character that is a CBP battlewinner seems really really strong.
How about a 0/1 recurrable and gates-able one? One that's 7/7 but is CBN most of the time? Whenever I vet power level, I see if I can compare it to a real card as a similar-but-different (as in, this card is another kind of card as Foreign Wives, Spirit of Withdraw, Entrapping Pharisees, etc.) or whether about the same result could be obtained about as easily by other means. I think this passes both tests, and encourages a return of value to cutting low.

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I would make the Female be OT, and would exclude Clay from the brigades she could convert to. 
But that completely undermines the Widow theme!

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Granting CBI from Territory is incredibly strong.  Abilities of 4/3 with the potential to play CBI battlewinners is really strong too - most characters that grant CBI or CBN have disadvantageous numbers like 8/7, 7/8, 7/7, 7/6, etc.
Other CBI granters don't turn off if the opponent bands.
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Re: Ruth Stuff
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2016, 09:55:09 AM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 18, 2016, 09:35:06 AM
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Also, a 1/4 character that is a CBP battlewinner seems really really strong.
How about a 0/1 recurrable and gates-able one? One that's 7/7 but is CBN most of the time? Whenever I vet power level, I see if I can compare it to a real card as a similar-but-different (as in, this card is another kind of card as Foreign Wives, Spirit of Withdraw, Entrapping Pharisees, etc.) or whether about the same result could be obtained about as easily by other means. I think this passes both tests, and encourages a return of value to cutting low.

The thing about auto-block ECs is they almost always come with a way to Instead the autoblock.  TEP almost always ends up being "Opponent discards a card matching human hero's brigade from hand".  Spirit of Fear grants SI, and even if the opponent has nothing to interrupt or negate SoF, they still can allow opponent to discard a card at random from their hand instead.  Antiochus has an Instead, Sisera's Army has an Instead, Lions has an Instead, etc. 

Orpah is a costless reusable autoblock of FBTN heroes.  Moses could stop her with the right Cloud GEs; other FBTN heroes couldn't.

On second thought, maybe the game needs a character that is a hard counter to FBTN  ;)  I just don't like how splashable she is. 

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I would make the Female be OT, and would exclude Clay from the brigades she could convert to. 
But that completely undermines the Widow theme!

Ok, I'm sold  :D  I'd be using Naomi to create a Red Abigail that Ishmaiah bands to anyways  ;)

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Granting CBI from Territory is incredibly strong.  Abilities of 4/3 with the potential to play CBI battlewinners is really strong too - most characters that grant CBI or CBN have disadvantageous numbers like 8/7, 7/8, 7/7, 7/6, etc.
Other CBI granters don't turn off if the opponent bands.

I would at least make the CBI only work while all of your heroes are Ruth heroes or something like that.  Wool Fleece + Ruth would be insanely strong.  CWD + Ruth would be insanely strong.  Jael converted to White via Naomi + Ruth would be insanely strong. 
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Re: Ruth Stuff
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2016, 12:09:35 PM »
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"Insanely strong" doesn't mean anything to me anymore. We already have King Amazing who doesn't spend fuel, and we already have Barak setting up Jael the same way in a different (better) brigade, and cards that give CBN to a class of battle-winners like Ezekiel.
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Re: Ruth Stuff
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2016, 02:06:09 AM »
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Given the (continuing) prevalence of speed and offense-heavy decks in T1 I'm all for giving defense more options. I don't like turtle/super-defense decks much (because they aren't fun to play against) but giving utility to balanced decks is not a bad thing imho.
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