Author Topic: Revelations Expansion/Theme (Read 13533 times)

SomeKittens · « **Reply #100 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:00:00 PM »

That'll go over about as well as my argument that Disciples were Royalty.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #101 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:16:38 PM »

How excactly did that go?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #102 on:** April 28, 2011, 12:50:27 AM »

Quote from: megamanlan on April 27, 2011, 07:18:15 PM

No, it isn't specualtion. Here's why: At that point in time, after over about 500 years of silence from God, If he suddenly sent some normal person to tell Mary she was going to have a baby or to Joseph they would most likely say that he's crazy or worse, that he was possessed. The only possible way for them to believe was for a supernatural event to happen for them, like an angel telling them, it's the exact same story with the shepards.
You're right, but for the wrong reasons. Because there was 500 years of silence, no prophet (human messenger of God) could be sent to tell them, so God used an angel. Had a prophet told them, I'd bet they'd believe, but no prophet could because the silence was not yet done.
It's very unlikely they would have believed a guy that walked up to them and said 'The son of God was born in that cave there.' The Shepards would have thought the guy was insane.
Same reasoning. Personally, if I lived during that time, and any "normal" person would do that, I would think they're insane. If they were a prophet or Godly person, I wouldn't.

If that us true that Angels do not proclaim the gospel, Where does God say that they are not allowed to? And why then did he use angels to tell the shepards the good news, The women at the tomb and more? It is obvious that they did not believe that Jesus was going to be raised from the dead.
I can't find a passage saying that they do not, but we have been given no example of them doing any such thing. The shepherds bit has been covered, and the women at the tomb were already believers. Just because they didn't believe he was going to doesn't mean they didn't believe.

My reason for saying this is that nearly all people from the Old Testament did not spread the gospel, for that matter, most of them probably didn't even understand what Isaiah meant when he said what he did about Jesus. And to say that it's basically a belief in God then that is what the angels proclaim as well, like when the angel appeared to Balaam.
Faith in God, not spreading of the gospel, and the angel did NOT proclaim that to Balaam. He came to Balaam to kill him.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #103 on:** April 28, 2011, 01:02:52 AM »

Just out of curiosity, even though I'm sure it's been mentioned before... while on the topic of angels, may I ask, "Why is there a female angel?" I'd like to read/know the reasoning and backing behind such a card.

-C_S

megamanlan · « **Reply #104 on:** April 28, 2011, 01:14:57 AM »

I have made ideas like that already, just check all my card ideas that I've posted.

The reason why their's a Female angel is because the set that it came from was based of the Angel Wars tv show that had 2 female angels. That's why.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #105 on:** April 28, 2011, 01:31:36 AM »

Quote from: megamanlan on April 28, 2011, 01:14:57 AM

I have made ideas like that already, just check all my card ideas that I've posted.

The reason why their's a Female angel is because the set that it came from was based of the Angel Wars tv show that had 2 female angels. That's why.

Still, I'd like to know "why" she was printed in Redemption. It just piques my curiosity.

-C_S

megamanlan · « **Reply #106 on:** April 28, 2011, 01:53:03 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on April 28, 2011, 12:50:27 AM

Quote from: megamanlan on April 27, 2011, 07:18:15 PM
No, it isn't specualtion. Here's why: At that point in time, after over about 500 years of silence from God, If he suddenly sent some normal person to tell Mary she was going to have a baby or to Joseph they would most likely say that he's crazy or worse, that he was possessed. The only possible way for them to believe was for a supernatural event to happen for them, like an angel telling them, it's the exact same story with the shepards.
You're right, but for the wrong reasons. Because there was 500 years of silence, no prophet (human messenger of God) could be sent to tell them, so God used an angel. Had a prophet told them, I'd bet they'd believe, but no prophet could because the silence was not yet done.
It's very unlikely they would have believed a guy that walked up to them and said 'The son of God was born in that cave there.' The Shepards would have thought the guy was insane.
Same reasoning. Personally, if I lived during that time, and any "normal" person would do that, I would think they're insane. If they were a prophet or Godly person, I wouldn't.

If that us true that Angels do not proclaim the gospel, Where does God say that they are not allowed to? And why then did he use angels to tell the shepards the good news, The women at the tomb and more? It is obvious that they did not believe that Jesus was going to be raised from the dead.
I can't find a passage saying that they do not, but we have been given no example of them doing any such thing. The shepherds bit has been covered, and the women at the tomb were already believers. Just because they didn't believe he was going to doesn't mean they didn't believe.

My reason for saying this is that nearly all people from the Old Testament did not spread the gospel, for that matter, most of them probably didn't even understand what Isaiah meant when he said what he did about Jesus. And to say that it's basically a belief in God then that is what the angels proclaim as well, like when the angel appeared to Balaam.
Faith in God, not spreading of the gospel, and the angel did NOT proclaim that to Balaam. He came to Balaam to kill him.

One major problem that u are neglecting is that these people are currently dealing with plenty of false prophets. Plus most people would question someone who claimed to be a prophet that suddenly appeared and said that some girl is going to have the Son of God. I mean Joseph didn't even believe her, so how many people would believe a guy that claimed to be from God? Most people wouldn't because God has been silent for so long, most people would deny that the person was a prophet at all. Don't forget: 'A prophet is never accepted in his hometown'

That's my point: There is no restriction that says that they can't. And next up, The shepherds were most likely not expecting the Son of God to come in their lifetime, and if he did, they probably wouldn't care, because they assumed that it wouldn't affect them. They may as well of been Lost Souls that were converted to our belief by angels.
Second, The Women at the tomb did not believe that he would be resurrected, and w/o the resurrection, our faith is useless because God didn't defeat Death. They did not believe that he could live again. They were as good as lost, until the angel revealed to them that he was alive again.

No it didn't, The Angel was there to block Balaam from fulfilling his mission. Faith in God is taught by everyone, Human and Angel. But you have to heed Jesus' warning, 'Even the Demons believe in God.'

Kordel Lentine · « **Reply #107 on:** April 28, 2011, 07:48:27 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on April 26, 2011, 11:23:03 PM

The starter deck one is good enough, IMO.

I agree to some extent. In fact, one of my current decks uses the H-deck John instead of the promo version, since that deck is better served by getting rid of EC abilities. That said, I never thought John was strong enough--ESPECIALLY after all the new disciples came out. He is, after all, one of The Big Three, and wrote more NT books than anyone else except Paul. And I know many people don't even look at the verses, but I thought Rev. 1:1 was perfect for him even before the promo was printed.

I think a good reprint for John that would go well in a Revelation theme would be to re-do the promo but NOT as a promo so it has Rev. 1:1 as its verse, and then COMBINE both the promo and the H-deck SAs. It would give John the power he deserves, and would fit very well with what the Bible says about him.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #108 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:01:35 AM »

Quote from: Aelec Enitnel on April 27, 2011, 10:22:14 PM

New Idea: using the verse in revalation
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Revalation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be the glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen
I thought this could have the ability set a NT hero aside for one? turn hero returns with the added teal or pruple brigade.

-just a thought-

I like this idea because it would be the only way to make a female Priest.
Which otherwise doesn't work...

Bryon · « **Reply #109 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:10:32 AM »

Quote from: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 28, 2011, 01:02:52 AM

Just out of curiosity, even though I'm sure it's been mentioned before... while on the topic of angels, may I ask, "Why is there a female angel?" I'd like to read/know the reasoning and backing behind such a card.

-C_S

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #110 on:** April 28, 2011, 12:06:32 PM »

Quote from: Bryon on April 28, 2011, 10:10:32 AM

Quote from: COUNTER_SNIPER on April 28, 2011, 01:02:52 AM
Just out of curiosity, even though I'm sure it's been mentioned before... while on the topic of angels, may I ask, "Why is there a female angel?" I'd like to read/know the reasoning and backing behind such a card.

-C_S

Thank you

It's going to spark an interesting conversation with my pastor

-C_S

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #111 on:** April 28, 2011, 01:51:51 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on April 28, 2011, 01:53:03 AM

One major problem that u are neglecting is that these people are currently dealing with plenty of false prophets. Plus most people would question someone who claimed to be a prophet that suddenly appeared and said that some girl is going to have the Son of God. I mean Joseph didn't even believe her, so how many people would believe a guy that claimed to be from God? Most people wouldn't because God has been silent for so long, most people would deny that the person was a prophet at all. Don't forget: 'A prophet is never accepted in his hometown'
God was silent for a reason, and He wasn't going to break it when there were other ways. Had God not been silent, I bet He would have sent a prophet, but again, speculation.
Joseph didn't believe her? Source?
Regardless, the angel did not proclaim a message of salvation to them. It just told Mary that she was going to be the one to have the Messiah.

That's my point: There is no restriction that says that they can't. And next up, The shepherds were most likely not expecting the Son of God to come in their lifetime, and if he did, they probably wouldn't care, because they assumed that it wouldn't affect them. They may as well of been Lost Souls that were converted to our belief by angels.
*Insert a bunch of ridiculous examples of things we aren't restricted of doing* Bad argument. "You didn't say I COULDN'T do this, so I guess I can!" Yeah, try that one on your parents sometime. We have been given no demonstration of them ever doing it, and there is no promise that they ever will do it, and God has specifically said it's our job, even though He uses His creation as well. Humans can do it far more effectively than angels.
As for the shepherds, speculation again. I'm pretty sure all Jewish people thought that the Messiah was going to affect them though. If you're going to do that, practically EVERYBODY would be an evil character during that time and before that time.

Second, The Women at the tomb did not believe that he would be resurrected, and w/o the resurrection, our faith is useless because God didn't defeat Death. They did not believe that he could live again. They were as good as lost, until the angel revealed to them that he was alive again.
The resurrection hadn't happened yet. Again, if you're going to do that, practically everybody would be an evil character.

No it didn't, The Angel was there to block Balaam from fulfilling his mission. Faith in God is taught by everyone, Human and Angel. But you have to heed Jesus' warning, 'Even the Demons believe in God.'
Um, read Numbers 22. He basically says (this is paraphrase from memory) "I came here to kill you and your donkey saved your life. Don't hurt him." So it wasn't there to block him, it was there to kill him. It gave him a warning.
And when did I say belief in God was what was necessary? Faith, not belief. Huge difference.

megamanlan · « **Reply #112 on:** April 28, 2011, 05:51:10 PM »

Yes, God was silent for a reason, and during that time many false prophets had come and gone. The people of Israel would have assumed that any prophet that came would be a false prophet, no one sent from God. You have to take it from a human perspective. If the last 500 or so years you've had false prophets and then suddenly a guy says that he has a message from God saying that you're wife-to-be is going to have a kid when no one has slept with her, would sound totally absurd.
As for the reference to Joseph, why would he put her away secretly unless she told him? That wouldn't make sense. And there would be no point in putting her away secretly if she looked pregnant. That makes even less sense.
The only way that I understand that sentence is if u say that the virgin birth has nothing to do with the message of Salvation which is very wrong. Because the only way that he could have no sin is by having no true earthly father. Because sin was passed from the fathers. So because Jesus had no true Earthly father, (Joseph was more like an adopted father to him) the sin was not passed from the previous generation. Therefore he could truely be sinless.

If there was never someone or something that says that u shouldn't or couldn't do this, then u are not restricted from doing it. God never gave permission for us to make a card game based of the Bible yet we did. My point is there never is a scripture that says: "Angels can not proclaim the gospel" or that "Angels were never mean't to proclaim the gospel." Everything proclaims God and his glory, we choose to ignore it, which is what Romans 1:20-25 is saying. Also, people are often times much more convinced by a supernatural event then a guy that walks up to them and asks them if they want to be saved. In case u don't know, Men on their own will never be able to save a Lost Soul, only God can do that and he can do that though whoever he chooses. Weather it's a human or an angel. The point of Mary and Joseph is this: Joseph didn't believe Mary when she told him, but when an Angel told him, it finally clicked.
Once again, you are not thinking about what they would think back then. More people seemed surprised that the Son of God was finally born, only a couple had properly expected it. And without any late prophets that they could truly trust, Angels would be the best choice to choose for this type of mission.

Once again, that is false, You are not understanding what they just went through. At that point, they did not believe that he was going to be raised from the dead. Many people (including his disciples) believed that he was gone, completely dead. They had come to put spices on the body so that the ritual would have been completed. They would not be Evil Characters because they were not claiming that he wasn't the Christ, or preaching false Doctrine or another religion. When the women told Peter and John that he was gone, they assumed that his body was stolen, not that he was alive again, which is why most of the mourners that were mourning his death would have not believed that he was risen unless it was revealed to them but unnatural means, like an Angel tell them that he is risen or Jesus apearing to them.

I just read Numbers 22, and yes he said he would have killed him. What it sounds like here is that the Angel was going to block Balaam from passing even if it mean't killing him, the only reason why he did not was because the donkey told him that he was wrong.
The words are interchangeable. Paul says 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ any you will be saved.' That's a belief on God, and Paul uses faith as a word with a very similar, if not the same, meaning.

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