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So I went to Minnesota District Saturday and a lot of people liked my card ideas and asked I post them up again so I've decided to do it again. So here we go (I promise to not flood the board a again this time...)

Servant Angel:

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5/6 Silver Warrior Class Hero
Revelation 22:3, X = # of Revelation Angels
Draw X (Max 3) or play a Revelation Enhancement. Negate and Discard all Curses. First Strike. Cannot be prevented.

War in Heaven

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5/2 Silver GE
Revelation 12:7, X = # of Revelation Angels in Battle.
Withdraw all Humans. If used by a Warrior Class Revelation Angel, Negate and Discard X Demons. Cannot be negated by a Demon.

Red Dragon

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5/6 Orange EC
Revelation 12:3, Depicts Satan, Dark Trinity Demon
Negate Humans. Immune to Humans. Cannot be negated by an Enhancement or a Card outside of battle.

Wrath of Satan

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0/0 Orange EE
Revelation 12:12
Discard all Heroes. Cannot be negated if used a Demon depicting Satan.

So what do you think? Like these reprints? Let me know! Too OP? Too UP? Should I modify any of the effects? Let me know that too!
- Mega

The first thing I'm going to say is something I've wanted to point out for you for awhile. If you're looking for realism in your card creations, you need to properly capitalize (or in your case, properly NOT capitalize) the special abilities. The only things that are capitalized in Redemption are: 1. the first word of each sentence, 2. card names (Moses, War in Heaven, Son of God), 3. card types (Heroes, Curses, evil Enhancements), 4. Bible books (Revelation, Acts, Isaiah), 5. X when used as a variable (with the associated "X=<whatever>" identifier), and 6. cultural identifiers (Canaanite, Assyrian, King of Israel). Special ability keywords are not capitalized, nor are identifiers that aren't cultural references (magician, demon, prophet, angel, priest).

Nitpicking aside, I feel like Servant Angel should be a "May" otherwise you're forced to either draw (which can be bad with RBD or GC up) or play an enhancement even if you don't want to at that moment.

I feel War in Heaven may be a bit on the OP side. It's a relatively easily CBN battle winner that can get past any ECs except animals (which aren't generally used) and is easily recurable (new Gabriel, for example).

I find Red Dragon ironic since he can be stopped by FBTN Heroes (many of which are humans), I would honestly just make him CBN by everything if you're going to have him be CBN at all. Also, I know you copied the numbers from the G/H version, but I always thought the old no-s/a version with the high numbers was a better representation of this huge creature and I think giving him higher numbers would fit better (but that's just my personal opinion, lol).

Wrath of Satan, as Minion said, I think would be CBN by more than you're thinking. I like the change to orange but as I discovered in the card set that Daniel and I released awhile back, WoS with any kind of CBN/I is going to end up being a bit too powerful, especially with the recursion that orange has. I'd say you could safely make it CBP, though.

I can update Servant Angel with that.

With War in Heaven it's only CBN by a Demon... (Ie a Demon can't negate it) a Human still have SI to do something. Also aren't Beasts still counted as Demons?

I may just make Red Dragon CBN to everything then...  (Just because it is directly Satan). But there are varying Demons that I could argue aren't depicting Satan but merely another demon. Also "Dark Trinity Demon" is an identifier specifically referencing to what some Revelation scholars call the "Dark Trinity" which is: Satan, The AntiChrist and the False Prophet in Revelation. The three form a Dark Trinity to deceive and rule the World in the end days. They also would be generally looked at as the top Demonic forces in the Bible.

I didn't think that Orange had that much EE recur... Just characters.... But as aforementioned, I don't think most of the Demons in the game are Satan, (Ones I know are offhand are: Red Dragon, The Serpent, Prince of the Air, Prince of this World possibly a few more) But I could make it CBP unless it would be easier making it a Promo like AoCP...

Thanks all for the help so far! And I'm open to more suggestions!

Beasts are demons.

Is Leviathan considered a demon?

I read Beast...

My question is are they effective recurs? Or is it about as effective as using the Fifth Seal is? (Which is not very effective as no one would run it...)

Still I'm thinking that's really the only one that's all that effective. But I've been mostly out of the game for about a year (thanks to losing the ability to play online and not being able to go to my nearby tourney's.)

You're correct, That was actually a theological term made for their 'group'.

Thanks. My goal is to make a Revelation theme that won't be too OP but be fun and have some of the cards that other themes have too.

The Draw up to 3 is actually playing off its own old ability and yes it's actually made to pop cards like CWD. I could change his draw to # of Rev Angels in battle, but then again, it's not that bad either... I mean look at how many other Hero themes already have a Hero drawer? (Matt and Peter in Disciples, Samuel [I know its a Draw 2 but considering that it puts a Character in play it's basically a +3], Red Warriors have 3 heroes that draw (that I can think of offhand) and I'm sure there are plenty more already in the game.) That and there are only about 15-20 Angels mentioned in Rev...

Also remember, this is Satan we're talking about, he should probably be one of the strongest Demons in the game.

Currently, the Wrath of Satan card can be negated, while the promo AoC cannot be.

(In reality, of course, good is stronger. But that makes for a boring card game)

Do you normally play Silver offenses, which wouldn't be stopped by RD?

He does usually.