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Lost Soul cards! - I'm back!
« on: February 23, 2015, 12:37:03 AM »
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Spoiler: Boaster (hover to show)

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If a Captured Hero is rescued from your Land of Bondage: Both Players Draw X (Max 2), then shuffle a Character from each territory to the Deck. If this card is rescued: Draw 1.

Spoiler: Worshipper (hover to show)

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While a Revelation Demon or Idol is in play: Protect this card from Dominants. If a Plague is played: Shuffle this card into the Deck.

Spoiler: Rejoicer (hover to show)

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If your Opponent's Hero is Discarded during Battle: Protect this Lost Soul from rescue this turn.

Spoiler: Torturer (hover to show)

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When this card is placed a Site: Protect Humans from Discard and Negate Humans with Discard Abilities until your next turn. Protect this card from rescue by a decreased Hero.

Spoiler: Fearer (hover to show)

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If this card is in a Site and Opponent plays Good Dominant: Shuffle a Lost Soul into the Deck.

Spoiler: Unrepentant (hover to show)

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If a Lost Soul is resuced or a Evil Character is converted to a Hero (except by an Artifact): Protect this Lost Soul from rescue this turn.

And that's all my new Lost Souls! Thoughts?
« Last Edit: February 24, 2015, 05:32:17 PM by megamanlan »
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2015, 08:16:10 AM »
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The last one has already been made, but its better because it doesn't have to be in a site. But the others are cool.
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2015, 09:28:48 AM »
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The Rejoicer is hacked. You just find a way to discard a hero (from the wording, even one in your own territory) and it is unrescuable. Aryoch, for example.
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2015, 10:33:54 AM »
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I really like the Fearer. The only thing I would change is to make it say "If this card is in a site, and your opponent plays a Good Dominant". That way each condition has to be met by a different player and it doesn't let you use good dominants defensively.

If that seems to be too limiting you could try making it activate if either your opponent or yourself plays an evil dominant.

This could be a little op with the 2/3-Liner.

One of the things I like is that since it lets you pick the soul that's shuffled it remains a viable option for Type-2.

Also, "Fearer" isn't a real word, but neither is "Revealer" so changing that may or may not be an issue.

Other then those few things, I really like it. :)
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2015, 12:43:47 PM »
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Very much dislike the Yu-Gi-Oh!-esque grammar you're so fond of using, lol. Redemption only uses colons for place abilities and special ability keywords are not generally capitalized.

That aside, 100% agreement with Noah's comments on the Fearer.

Minion brings up a good point about Rejoicer. There are a decent number of ways to discard any Hero in play during battle that might make it overpowerful. While I'm all in favor of having another counter to AutO-Gid and the like, I'd prefer it was balanced in and of itself as well.

Torturer seems rather powerful, possibly overpowered, not sure. Protecting all humans from discard? Special abilities and game rule discards being nullified for all humans would drastically change the playing field.

I like Worshiper as a niche card for idol/plague-themed decks. It's not overpowerful (protecting from dominants is on other cards without any condition and there aren't a lot of plagues in the game that are useful enough to include in a deck) but is still useful.

For Boaster, I don't like the "both players" wording. I assume you mean you draw and the person that rescues the soul draws, but it's not entirely clear currently. I also think it has too much going on and is, thus, overpowered. The draw AND shuffle are too much for the condition, it's not difficult to get a captured character into your LoB and have it rescued to meet this condition, and while you're going to lose anyway if the opponent is meeting this condition for you frequently, I think it's too much. You could have either the draw OR the shuffle on the rescue and that'd be fine. I'm unconvinced that the draw at the end, when this soul is rescued, is necessary. The Soul from I/J-Tin 26 era (Rejoice, I think?) has nothing else going on and lets everyone draw 1, this card is already busy and only gives you the advantage.

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2015, 12:50:26 PM »
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Worshiper doesn't make sense.  Sog negates souls so it's ability isn't useful. Its only good if you have only  one more soul out that can't be rescued by nj but  that's rare. Slap a cbn on there or something.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2015, 02:58:44 PM »
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Hi guys! Thanks for replying!

Sorry for how the cards are worded as I haven't been looking at my Redemption stuff much and I've been around YGO much more then Redemption recently.

So I'll go down each soul for my reply:

Boaster - I will have to admit, of all of these LS's this one was the hardest for me to make... As I wanted a card that fits the verse, claiming riches but is really poor... And to be really honest, I don't like this card's current version myself. If anyone has an idea for a better effect I'd be open to hearing it.

Yea, Worshipper is made to be kinda a deck specific soul more or less. @TheHobbit: well it also protects from others then just SoG... Although with all the new Dominants out, it might have been power creeped. But with that said, I am very much thinking of putting a CBN on the Protection of the card.


Rejoicer - maybe would it be balanced more if it was only if your Opponent's Hero is Discarded?

Torturer - I was initially thinking of having the Human that survived get reduced stats everytime they're going to be discarded. But I ditched it as I thought it would be too much for a LS to do. Beyond that it's actually just following it's verse from the scripture, where there is a point where Humans can't die while they are being tortured by the Demons from the Pit. Although I could have a requirement of controlling a Demon or you have to have a number of LS's to resolve this effect.

Fearer: Yea, I can change that.
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2015, 05:13:15 PM »
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Could make rejoicer only effective if your opponents hero is discarded from battle by your enhancement. That would make it fairly conditional.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2015, 05:28:06 PM »
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Also, it doesn't really follow the story all that well. and it just makes it to conditional to me... But I might do it as Opponent's Hero in Battle...
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2015, 06:53:15 PM »
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Also, I just added a new LS, Unrepentant. Although I'm not so sure how good he'll be... Other then against Clay I think.
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2015, 09:43:49 PM »
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Also, I just added a new LS, Unrepentant. Although I'm not so sure how good he'll be... Other then against Clay I think.
Shouldn't it say if and EC is converted???

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2015, 09:45:54 PM »
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Actually yea, my bad. But other then that, thoughts?
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2015, 09:49:48 PM »
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Actually yea, my bad. But other then that, thoughts?
This could be OP with EC convert enhancements like evil spirit!

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2015, 09:53:59 PM »
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Well it's supposed to be only for when a LS is rescued or a EC is converted to a Hero. Which doesn't happen to often as far as I've seen... (But then again the last time I was playing was before TEC...)
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2015, 08:25:50 AM »
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Well it's supposed to be only for when a LS is rescued or a EC is converted to a Hero. Which doesn't happen to often as far as I've seen... (But then again the last time I was playing was before TEC...)
Mort clay enhancements convert, because that's what the early church did! This would be awesome with clay, but I belive that clay is already way OP compared to brigades like red and silver

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2015, 10:23:20 AM »
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So basically this is a strong counter to a Clay deck... But most others it wouldn't really affect to much at the moment other then just letting a Genesis player convert your EC's just so that you can keep them from getting it if it's the only one out. (And if the game is still going as fast as I was seeing it do, this will probably end up negated or not the only one out for long)
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2015, 01:06:37 PM »
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So basically this is a strong counter to a Clay deck... But most others it wouldn't really affect to much at the moment other then just letting a Genesis player convert your EC's just so that you can keep them from getting it if it's the only one out. (And if the game is still going as fast as I was seeing it do, this will probably end up negated or not the only one out for long)
Agreed, most other good brigades don't have a whole lot of convert enhancement that people actually use. However I see clay widely used in competitive play this year... and beyond

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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2015, 05:33:29 PM »
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The Lost Souls have been updated! I didn't update Worshipper or Boaster as I think I'm fine with Worshipper as is right now and Im not sure how to remake Boaster...
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2015, 05:51:14 PM »
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I would take out "if this card is rescued draw 1" in boaster, he has too many SA's

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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2015, 05:56:14 PM »
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I don't like the effect altogether to be honest, but on the other hand, I want it to be some kind of punishment for your Opponent drawing... So its basically a punishment card for speed decks...
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2015, 06:07:12 PM »
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So its basically a punishment card for speed decks...
I would do this better by "discard the top X card(s) of opponents deck.  X= # of draw abilities used by opponent this turn."

 


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