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Wow! That Astrologers is mad cool! These are just getting better and better by degrees!

Yet, I do agree that some cards need a major art improvement we need to stay away from the dark arts.

That last part was not a pun, if anyone thought it was.

in this case you should say "no pun intended" 

I'm guessing those are pillars or something to denote Babylonian. It honestly doesn't matter what they are if they're just for memory and reference.

Daniel, I would be curious to see a Moses redesign with all of his identifiers.

Quote from: Arrthoa on October 15, 2012, 03:07:47 PM

While I like the redesign and art, we need to remember that this is a christian card game. The art seems to be like that of Magic and Yugioh which Mr. Rob saw as dark if you have read the background of the game. Yet, I do agree that some cards need a major art improvement we need to stay away from the dark arts.

No pun intended on that last sentence.

I agree.  Although, the art on the new Astrologer design represents the type of person they were and what they practiced.  But I do understand what you are saying as a former magic player myself.

I'm pretty sure astrologers back then didn't have claws on their hands.   

The astrologer's art is too dark, but Doeg's Slaughter, Put to Flight, King of Tyrus, Woman in the Ephah, Whore of Babylon, Jezebel, Abijah, son of Samuel, and all the other cards in Sauce's offensive deck is just fine?

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on October 15, 2012, 04:41:00 PM

Quote from: dermo4christ on October 15, 2012, 04:36:43 PM

Quote from: Arrthoa on October 15, 2012, 03:07:47 PM

While I like the redesign and art, we need to remember that this is a christian card game. The art seems to be like that of Magic and Yugioh which Mr. Rob saw as dark if you have read the background of the game. Yet, I do agree that some cards need a major art improvement we need to stay away from the dark arts.

No pun intended on that last sentence.

I agree.  Although, the art on the new Astrologer design represents the type of person they were and what they practiced.  But I do understand what you are saying as a former magic player myself.

I'm pretty sure astrologers back then didn't have claws on their hands.   

Because claws are a modern discovery?

heh, heh!

@Daniel Love the redesigns! I think if the cards actually looked like that more non-believers might take a chance and try the game. Honestly the current design is not all that pleasing on the eyes. If you laid a MTG card and a Redemption card out and asked someone which game they would rather play, MTG would win every single time. Lay Daniel's redesign out and there is a better chance more people would gravitate towards Redemption.

I understand some like the old design, but this game shouldn't just be for Christians, it should also be used as a tool to reach the lost. Fancier looking cards are one way to do this. I'm tired of Christian products(excluding some movies and music) being sub-par.  The gaming market is one that Christianity has just not been able to break in to very well. The movies are doing better now than 10 years ago and so is the music scene. Heck Haste the Day and The Devil Wears Prada are extremely popular (RIP HTD). I'm happy to say that the Christian metal scene is doing well in both Christian and secular crowds.

Anyway if Redemption wants to remain relevant and reach out to the lost we need the product to look visually pleasing. The gameplay is pretty good, though I would just make it so Lost Souls always start in the land of bondage rather than being drawn from the deck. This would put both players on equal footing right at the start of the game where as the current rules favor the player that doesn't happen to draw Lost Souls all that much where as the other play could have several out before the other player gets 1 put out. Could also speed the game up as well.  But I digress........

Awesome job Daniel! And Lambo your redesigns are pretty good as well, but lets be honest Daniel's are flashier and would be best for marketing and getting secular crowds into the game. If we were to just think of ourselves(the Christian gaming community) then Lambo's would be just fine with me, but I think we need to look at the bigger picture here.

Also those complaining about the "darker" images on Danie's redesigns, the world is a dark place. Evil cards should look......Evil. Christianity isn't all Lolipops and Candy Canes. Lets be real, and not blind ourselves with what people think Christianity should be.

Also we need a new Redemption video game. Victory at Hebron was fun, but again we need something with good graphics and again I look to Daniel's redesigns, they might work really well for a new Redemption F2P online CCG.

Agree with above except LS's starting in territory. There is way too much of the game tied up in them being decked like normal, and speeding it up is a bad thing (the #1 complaint about the game is that it's too speedy).

That argument stopped holding water a little while ago. If you're not able to generate 4+ souls yourself, your'e doin' it wrong.

That argument stopped holding water a little while ago. If you're not able to generate 4+ souls yourself, your'e doin' it wrong.

Because your deck is always perfectly shuffled???

I understand there may be some cards that have an effect when a LS is drawn or possibly some that have some search deck feature for LS's. Perhaps we need some gameplay re-design as well.

I honestly don't think the game would be too quick if all LS's were on the table to begin with.

My point was more about the game being fair to each player and more balanced. Again, there is more chance of one person drawing more LS's than the other early  in the game and thus giving the other player an advantage of winning.

Perhaps to balance things we need an additional way to win the game other than collecting lost souls. Maybe we need a new card type, like some character type card or something that can be attacked. Something with high HP and maybe make it a good character and give Evil cards more action other than blocking. Doing so would allow Good and Evil cards the ability to "attack" and "block". Killing the "super character" could win you the game or collecting lost souls could win you the game. Or maybe allow evil characters to directly attack good characters that are in play. Then obviously if one player ran out of good characters they would have no way of winning the game. So that might be a better idea.

Also the whole "battle challenge" thing should just be dropped completley. There is no point to it at all. No strategic advantage to it at all really. Why waste a good or evil char that you could use for a block or rescue attempt? I guess if Battle Challenges could not be turned down then that would also address the suggestion I posted in the paragraph above this one.

Anywho, just throwing idea's out there.....

NomireX if you haven't figured out any reasons to battle challenge then i've no clue what to say. A battle challenge is actually quite strategic.

NomireX if you haven't figured out any reasons to battle challenge then i've no clue what to say. A battle challenge is actually quite strategic.

Please explain the advantage of a battle challenge....... just from reading the rules about it I see no advantage or use for it as the opponent does not have to accept it. The only possible thing it might be used for is activating abilities on a card, if that is indeed how it works.

And if I read the rules correctly it seems a good character is the only one that can initiate the challenge.....is that correct?

Perhaps I read things incorrectly?

@Master KChief, Yeah collecting stuff might be one way to do it. I just think we need a way to use Evil cards in an offensive way. I still like the idea of using evil characters to directly attack good characters and maybe win the game by defeating so many good characters in that fashion. It is like a Battle Challenge in a way I guess except the opponent can't turn it down.

   

Quote from: Red on November 18, 2012, 09:29:22 AM

NomireX if you haven't figured out any reasons to battle challenge then i've no clue what to say. A battle challenge is actually quite strategic.

I also do not see much use in battle challenges. Sure, you can activate an ability. But my point is that typically, when a battle challenge would benefit you, your opponent would not accept. I have never accepted a battle challenge. It doesn't have advantages defensively. I have not played any good competition, but I haven't seen anyone take advantage of a battle challenge.

   This coming from my little knowledge and experience...  . Weston

This is what I was thinking as well Weston.

So back on topic, I think we need to get petition going for the redesigns to become reality. Does the creator of the game ever read these boards?

It would be beneficial to the game and the community if the redesign was implemented asap.

And since the back of the card is not changing all redesigns would be compatible with old cards as well, so no one can complain about that.

I'm not sure they should redesign all of the old cards, but maybe they should start with a new starter deck set and maybe start making Unlimited V.2 boosters with the redesign on them.

Also I think they should put this up on  Kickstarter to help get funding to start the redesign project if needed.