Author Topic: Redemption Bible Track (Read 9449 times)

drb1200 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 20, 2010, 08:30:26 PM »

Quote from: RED on March 20, 2010, 07:46:41 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 20, 2010, 06:07:18 PM

c) Tracts with anything to do with hell or eternal punishment on the front. There's a difference between telling the truth and scaring people to Jesus. And even if scaring people to Jesus was a good tactic, most non-Christians either laugh at or get really annoyed by things with a primary focus of hell. I once saw a tract that said that if you don't follow Jesus, you'll i love you, where it is "thousands of degrees hot!!" Yikes.

You my good sir do not know that if you DON'T use that kind of tract you won't win any souls.

Saying that you'll i love you because you don't believe in Jesus is NOT the way to do it. That's backwards. You should say that you WOULD i love you but Jesus came to free you from hell so that you can have eternal life.

My 1 cent.

Red · « **Reply #26 on:** March 20, 2010, 08:43:05 PM »

Well if one does not mention hell then they won't see a reason to get saved.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #27 on:** March 20, 2010, 10:02:39 PM »

Quote from: RED on March 20, 2010, 08:43:05 PM

Well if one does not mention hell then they won't see a reason to get saved.

Mentioning Heaven is just as important as mentioning Hell. Negative reinforcement should be balanced by positive reinforcement.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #28 on:** March 20, 2010, 10:24:44 PM »

Quote from: RED on March 20, 2010, 08:43:05 PM

Well if one does not mention hell then they won't see a reason to get saved.

Really? Wanting to be in a relationship isn't enough? Showing the separation is needed to show a need to be close, showing hell isn't. If scaring people was enough then we should all hold guns to other's heads and tell them if they don't turn we'll shoot them.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #29 on:** March 20, 2010, 11:02:42 PM »

You can't save someone until they know what they're being saved from. You need to present Sin, and it's consequences, and then show how Chris set us free.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #30 on:** March 20, 2010, 11:27:14 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on March 20, 2010, 11:02:42 PM

You can't save someone until they know what they're being saved from. You need to present Sin, and it's consequences, and then show how Chris set us free.

I completely agree. Notice I didn't say that the concept of hell should be absent from the tract, merely that that shouldn't be the focal point of the tract (i.e. not on the front of it). Perhaps 270 years ago during the great awakening, that type of preaching/witnessing was effective. In today's modern world, people generally ignore people/things that make hell their main point.

Personally, I am a Christian because I want to have a relationship with God. The only way I can have a relationship with God is to repent of my sins. The fact that I get to spend eternity with Him in the most awesome of places is better than the fact that I don't have to spend eternity without Him in the most horrible of places.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #31 on:** March 20, 2010, 11:29:11 PM »

Exactly, it drives me nuts how some of them are "Hi, you're gonna burn!"

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #32 on:** March 21, 2010, 08:01:15 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on March 20, 2010, 11:02:42 PM

... and then show how Chris set us free.

I thought Jesus did that.

disciple_drew · « **Reply #33 on:** March 28, 2010, 06:07:53 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 20, 2010, 11:29:11 PM

Exactly, it drives me nuts how some of them are "Hi, you're gonna burn!"

Until you understand that the Wrath of God is part of the Love of God, you don't understand what the Love of God means. Sin is a destroyer. You're the Lord's Beloved and so is everyone else on this planet. Sin destroys the Lord's Beloved. That's why God has to destroy sin before it'll destroy them. However on that Great Day, if those people who love sin enough and choose it over God... He'll let them have sin. It's just sin has been condemned, sin has judgement pronouced on it thousands of years ago.

We don't hate the sinners out there, we love them. We just hate the sin. But they need to know what they're being "saved" from.... sin. Jesus is the answer to that. Get the whole point behind this?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #34 on:** March 28, 2010, 09:44:21 PM »

I understand the necessity of it but it doesn't mean it has to be the central point of the track. People respond more (IMO) to the love side of God and explaining that because of sin we can't have that love, rather than "God is going to send you to hell cuz you sinned but I have fire insurance"

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #35 on:** March 28, 2010, 10:13:38 PM »

I'm not sure that enough Christians understand the power of love (as least not as much as Huey Lewis). Some assume that love is not as good of a motivator as fear is, although I think the Bible says otherwise:

But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12: 20,21

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #36 on:** March 28, 2010, 10:19:17 PM »

Ok, Drew. I'll toss you a bone and say maybe God loves the whole world and everyone in it (I don't believe that's necessarily true, but for the sake of argument). What do you gain from posting Hell as the main draw of your tract as opposed to say, forgiveness of sin?

disciple_drew · « **Reply #37 on:** March 28, 2010, 11:04:23 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on March 28, 2010, 10:19:17 PM

Ok, Drew. I'll toss you a bone and say maybe God loves the whole world and everyone in it (I don't believe that's necessarily true, but for the sake of argument). What do you gain from posting Hell as the main draw of your tract as opposed to say, forgiveness of sin?

If you read my very 1st post, I didn't insist on promoting fear to get people to accept Jesus. In fact I was suggesting love. I was just addressing sin and such with the above post. Yeah I get the point that it isn't useful to try to "scare" people into Christ but then again people need to know what they're being saved from.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #38 on:** March 28, 2010, 11:07:06 PM »

I personally have no problem with tracts, and I am quite certain people have come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ through them. Just recently I was handed a tract by a young man at Downtown Disney. I think that the boldness for Christ that some people show by even trying to hand them out is admirable. Many Christians never make any effort to reach the lost.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #39 on:** March 28, 2010, 11:14:23 PM »

Quote from: disciple_drew on March 28, 2010, 11:04:23 PM

If you read my very 1st post, I didn't insist on promoting fear to get people to accept Jesus. In fact I was suggesting love. I was just addressing sin and such with the above post. Yeah I get the point that it isn't useful to try to "scare" people into Christ but then again people need to know what they're being saved from.

Then there really is no argument. No one here has suggested glossing over Hell completely on a tract, but most everyone agrees that having the front of your tract say "It's thousands of degrees hot in Hell so accept Christ now!" is probably not going to be effective for saving souls. That was my only point when I brought it up.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #40 on:** March 28, 2010, 11:49:07 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on March 28, 2010, 10:13:38 PM

I'm not sure that enough Christians understand the power of love (as least not as much as Huey Lewis). Some assume that love is not as good of a motivator as fear is, although I think the Bible says otherwise:

But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12: 20,21

I agree that Jesus' love is in general a much more effective tool at reaching people, especially if they are humble. I've heard a good few stories about people who have begun on the path to Christ just by hearing, "Jesus loves you." However, do not overfeed, and make sure to get some vegetables in that meal, and not just sugary sweets. In other words, don't just go around drowning people in love, love, love without teaching them the important things they need to become healthy followers of Christ. Sometimes those things will taste bad, but they are just as if not more important than the love. Also, I do not believe that the gospel is always the best way to reach someone. The proud can be much more difficult to deal with. Sometimes you must deliver the law.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #41 on:** March 29, 2010, 12:40:48 AM »

Oh I agree full heartedly, if someone doesn't see they've done wrong they can't be reached unless you show them they have.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #42 on:** March 29, 2010, 04:19:32 PM »

I also agree, and I think that ultimately is where Drew's heart is. There are certain audiences that are more impacted by tracts than others, just like Redemption is a tool that is more effective on some than others. I don't think we should discount whatever methods God chooses to bring unbelievers to Himself.

As long as we are willing and ready to serve, God will use us each according to the grace and gifts He has given. From what I have seen and heard from Drew and his brother, we have a group of young guys on fire for God in Ft. Lauderdale, doing whatever they can to reach the lost. That deserves our support and prayer.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #43 on:** March 29, 2010, 06:39:38 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on March 29, 2010, 04:19:32 PM

I also agree, and I think that ultimately is where Drew's heart is. There are certain audiences that are more impacted by tracts than others, just like Redemption is a tool that is more effective on some than others. I don't think we should discount whatever methods God chooses to bring unbelievers to Himself.

As long as we are willing and ready to serve, God will use us each according to the grace and gifts He has given. From what I have seen and heard from Drew and his brother, we have a group of young guys on fire for God in Ft. Lauderdale, doing whatever they can to reach the lost. That deserves our support and prayer.

Amen to that brothua!

disciple_drew · « **Reply #44 on:** March 29, 2010, 06:42:31 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on March 29, 2010, 04:19:32 PM

I also agree, and I think that ultimately is where Drew's heart is. There are certain audiences that are more impacted by tracts than others, just like Redemption is a tool that is more effective on some than others. I don't think we should discount whatever methods God chooses to bring unbelievers to Himself.

As long as we are willing and ready to serve, God will use us each according to the grace and gifts He has given. From what I have seen and heard from Drew and his brother, we have a group of young guys on fire for God in Ft. Lauderdale, doing whatever they can to reach the lost. That deserves our support and prayer.

Yes, yes... amen. Not long ago both my brother and I were kicked out of a hobby shop because we were asking to present the game to the hobby shop, play, and post a poster up. Something like a tract could of been a some type of seeds we could of left behind. Our message (which is the Gospel of Christ as well as a CCG to connect with the non-believers there) was rejected there. Not to say it was a failure, they just rejected Christ. It just goes to show how many people out there don't have a heart for God and I'm just seeing if Cactus can make a tool like this available to it's gamers.

Red · « **Reply #45 on:** March 29, 2010, 06:46:53 PM »

they kicked you out? that's not legal(freespeech) they SHOULD have lestened i bet they wouldn't kick out a guy presenting a new ccg. you should have left a card.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #46 on:** March 29, 2010, 06:49:22 PM »

Quote from: RED on March 29, 2010, 06:46:53 PM

they kicked you out? that's not legal(freespeech) they SHOULD have lestened i bet they wouldn't kick out a guy presenting a new ccg. you should have left a card.

Free speech is not applicable to private property/businesses. Business owners have every right to allow in and kick out who they please.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #47 on:** March 29, 2010, 06:51:39 PM »

Free speech isn't free

Always remember that

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #48 on:** March 29, 2010, 06:58:30 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on March 29, 2010, 06:51:39 PM

Free speech isn't free

Always remember that

I do, I served in Iraq in 2005. So yeah, don't take your rights for granted. American soldiers/marines pay with their blood for them. An American soldier died for your rights and JESUS died for your sins.

Yeah, the hobby shop wouldn't allow us to even play their. Shame is that I know locally, they have more of the youth there. The hobby shop that God has granted us favor with is more of an adult crowd.

disciple_drew · « **Reply #49 on:** March 29, 2010, 07:11:14 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 29, 2010, 06:49:22 PM

Quote from: RED on March 29, 2010, 06:46:53 PM
they kicked you out? that's not legal(freespeech) they SHOULD have lestened i bet they wouldn't kick out a guy presenting a new ccg. you should have left a card.

Free speech is not applicable to private property/businesses. Business owners have every right to allow in and kick out who they please.

That's the whole point I've been trying to make... I didn't have a card to leave behind. That's 1 of the things that moved me to post this thread, I didn't have a card to leave as well as what's heart breaking is that hobby shop contains most of the youth in that City. The other hobby shop which God has granted us favor & grace with, contains mostly adults.

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Author Topic: Redemption Bible Track (Read 9449 times)

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