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Title: Proclaimed
Post by: Minister Polarius on September 30, 2010, 02:37:19 AM
Proclaimed
Good Dominant
"Look at one opponent's hand, a face-down card, or the top card of any deck."
~Luke 12:3
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master_Chi on September 30, 2010, 10:27:11 AM
Another Dom? Please.  :maul:
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Professoralstad on September 30, 2010, 10:47:43 AM
Another Dom? Please.  :maul:

Except this one isn't bad at all. It would probably be fairly underused however, as even though there are many situations where it might come in handy, I don't know if it would be handy enough to earn a card slot in more than a select few niche decks.

I might make it as follows:

Proclaimed
Good Dominant
"Place this card underneath your draw pile to reveal all hands, a face-down card, or the top card of any deck."
~Luke 12:3

That way it can be used more than once, but it has the drawback of revealing your hand.

At any rate, I would for sure use either version it in my deck discard deck, as I could make sure that my Given over to Egypt or Beheaded won't get a Lost Soul before I use it.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: SomeKittens on September 30, 2010, 12:28:22 PM
It sure has its uses, and I'm it's not OP'd like most doms.  I'd certainly use it in some of my decks, like prof said, before making a risky move.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: The M on September 30, 2010, 08:22:20 PM
I'm sorry it is a great card but we don't need another dominant.
How about a multi good enhancement.
Only 1 in a deck and it would have a minor cost of loss of initiative.
(or could it be territory class?)
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: BubbleBoy on September 30, 2010, 10:14:24 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure if I like it being a dominant. I would rather it be an Egyptian enhancement or something.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: SomeKittens on October 01, 2010, 12:13:01 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure if I like it being a dominant. I would rather it be an Egyptian enhancement or something.
Muchly.  I vote that the next set be centered around Egyptians.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 01, 2010, 12:21:22 AM
I wanted it to be useful on your opponent's turn, although if haters gonna hate on even non-staple doms, I could just do:

Proclaimed
0/0 Multicolor Good Enhancement, TC
"Place in your territory: at any time, you may Discard this card to look at one opponent's hand, a face-down card, or the top card of any deck."
~Luke 12:3
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: SomeKittens on October 01, 2010, 12:51:10 AM
That works too.  I dunno how much different it is from a dominant though...
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on October 01, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
It isn't. Thats the point, it just cuts down on whining.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 01, 2010, 01:39:57 AM
i dont have a problem with it being a dominant...i have a problem with it being really underwhelming for a dominant.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 01, 2010, 02:56:55 AM
i dont have a problem with it being a dominant...i have a problem with it being really underwhelming for a dominant.
I see this card as a guaranteed extra block or rescue. Also super-useful for a lot of other situations. And more powerful as an Enhancement.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 01, 2010, 05:34:09 AM
guaranteed block or rescue how?
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on October 01, 2010, 10:04:39 AM
guaranteed block or rescue how?
Knowing your Opp's hand lets you know EXACTLY what he can and can not do.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 01, 2010, 10:17:35 AM
u&t can do this a million times better and its far from a 'guaranteed block or rescue'.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on October 01, 2010, 10:28:35 AM
U&T doesn't work on your opponents turn, or after they draw a bunch of cards.

How do you know they didn't just draw Reach and AoCP? Simply put, you don't.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 01, 2010, 01:34:53 PM
i sincerely hope you're not implying reach + aocp is a guaranteed rescue, especially with the advent of disciples.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on October 01, 2010, 02:27:44 PM
Guaranteed? No. Likely? Yes.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 01, 2010, 02:33:13 PM
likely was not the word used. 'guaranteed' was. as in, 100% failsafe. im curious to find how this card guarantees a block or rescue.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: SomeKittens on October 01, 2010, 03:03:58 PM
It doesn't.  It allows you to be much more certain about making one or not.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Minister Polarius on October 01, 2010, 03:42:02 PM
If you build decks properly, you should be able to block/rescue if you know what's in your opponent's hand exactly when you need to.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: lightningninja on October 01, 2010, 03:43:29 PM
My evil characters can't be discarded, captured, or converted. All of them. And I think a lot of people will have a similar deck... aocp is outdated. You get rid of their guys, only to find they discard 1 card from their hand and all ecs in their territory are protected with CP.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 01, 2010, 03:54:23 PM
aocp is still good, but its nowhere near the guaranteed rescue it was before. same with zeal. since the inception of herods temple and the disciples sites, im not sure anything is a guaranteed rescue anymore (well, theres still asaph + magnificat...new splash combo!).
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: hi123 on October 01, 2010, 03:55:55 PM
Another Dom? Please.  :maul:
Well, this one is not OP'd ... I kinda like it!  :)  ~And thats coming from a guy who dose not like doms a whole lot!  ::)
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Professoralstad on October 01, 2010, 06:09:54 PM
My evil characters can't be discarded, captured, or converted. All of them. And I think a lot of people will have a similar deck... aocp is outdated. You get rid of their guys, only to find they discard 1 card from their hand and all ecs in their territory are protected with CP.

You'd better have Darius' Decree active then. Benedictus + ET + AoCP is just as effective, and only requires one more card.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: lightningninja on October 01, 2010, 06:17:29 PM
I do. I wasn't talking about pre-block ignore though. My deck activates lampstand in Herod's Temple, Altar of Dagon in Temple of Dagon, and Blue Tassels on the artifact pile. So in battle, you have to shuffle me or return me to territory.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 01, 2010, 07:27:42 PM
so how do you activate dd then? also, discarding to ht for a chunk of ec's in territory will be devastating.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: lightningninja on October 01, 2010, 07:33:11 PM
In my current deck I don't. People don't even run ET anymore, at least not at my tournaments.  :P
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Red on October 01, 2010, 10:00:28 PM
In my current deck I don't. People don't even run ET anymore, at least not at my tournaments.  :P
What has the current meta come to? We don't even run ET anymore.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: SomeKittens on October 01, 2010, 10:02:32 PM
People don't even run ET anymore, at least not at my tournaments.  :P
What?  He was the whole basis of COMBO COMBO COMBO COMBO CONGO!!!!
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on October 01, 2010, 10:04:18 PM
Actually Ittai was. ET wasn't really even needed for the noobsauce version, he was just the easiest to use.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on October 01, 2010, 10:37:52 PM
No, ET is just part of that super awesome combo where you use Gold Shield to convert him to purple so you can play AoCP before the opponent blocks.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Professoralstad on October 02, 2010, 08:11:41 AM
In my current deck I don't. People don't even run ET anymore, at least not at my tournaments.  :P

Well...that's weird. Aside from his preblock nastiness, he is the same brigade as the Disciples, and he can recur the best Herod's Temple fodder in the game: Philosophy (I think I have it in any deck I have with HT...the ability to save any NT character, Good or Evil, is awesome). I use him in at least three of my current decks.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: lightningninja on October 02, 2010, 02:32:33 PM
I never thought of recurring fodder... that's a good point. =)
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: SomeKittens on October 02, 2010, 06:09:11 PM
Rarely would I want to recur fodder.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 02, 2010, 08:34:19 PM
recurring 3 for any offense and 3 for any defense has rarely never proven useful. sir nobody used this to great effect in his last seasons deck.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: SomeKittens on October 02, 2010, 08:38:59 PM
has rarely never proven useful.
Wait, what?
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 02, 2010, 09:55:43 PM
rarely. never. proven. useful.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: browarod on October 02, 2010, 10:06:55 PM
rarely. never.
Adding full stops between does not negate the conflicting nature of the words.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Josh on October 02, 2010, 10:40:10 PM
rarely. never.
Adding full stops between does not negate the conflicting nature of the words.
As in, it is rare that it is never useful.  So it is usually useful.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 02, 2010, 10:40:37 PM
take 'never proven useful.' which means philosophy isnt useful. now take stick rarely in front. which means it rarely happens. is this really that hard to comprehend?
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: browarod on October 03, 2010, 12:05:53 AM
take 'never proven useful.' which means philosophy isnt useful. now take stick rarely in front. which means it rarely happens. is this really that hard to comprehend?
I never said I didn't understand what it meant, but you could have said it much more clearly.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: SomeKittens on October 04, 2010, 08:00:42 PM
take 'never proven useful.' which means philosophy isnt useful. now take stick rarely in front. which means it rarely happens. is this really that hard to comprehend?
Yes.  However, "useful" is much easier to say.

A good example of how this works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: Master KChief on October 04, 2010, 08:11:52 PM
Yes.  However, "useful" is much easier to say.

subjective. you're splitting hairs. does it even really matter to get my point across? the answer is no, btw.
Title: Re: Proclaimed
Post by: browarod on October 05, 2010, 01:20:02 PM
Yes.  However, "useful" is much easier to say.

subjective. you're splitting hairs. does it even really matter to get my point across? the answer is no, btw.
If he were splitting hairs, he would have pointed out that even in your explanation post of what "rarely proven useful" meant, you used an extraneous (and in this case, incorrect) word and also omitted a different word. ;)
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