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Not sure if these cards are being commented on currently, but as a T2 player, I just wanted to throw out there just how terrifying and broken this card is.  To start with, he can pull from my deck RTC x4, plus 4 more times with Abe's Kid to put it back in deck, and on the bottom at that (where it is safe and ready for another pull without being drawn).  If somehow I drew all of those and they aren't available for the search (unlikely), I can instead play Obedience of Noah x4 out of my deck to block with a nobody, or Numerous as the Stars to get everyone out and Zebulon ignore.

Also given the Answer to Prayer x4 and multiple copies to get him out in the first place, he will make Genesis unstoppable.  By giving him CBP, you stop the Confusion of Mind from having any effect, though at least CwD still restricts the play.  The only ways to stop him are with CM (only 1, he will be back), out-of-battle capture (can prevent these with your own artifacts that are standard in Genesis decks currently), or Hezzy's Bling (destructible)/Nazareth (can't be used in most T2 decks because the better decks all search).  Once you get him out (which with 4 copies, 4 Answers, and some Angel at Shur for good measure will happen by turn 3 if you're very unlucky), only a true spread (not multi-colored like Magicians, spread as in two different themes with characters that share no brigades) have any chance of stopping him.  And even then I will CTB and use other nasty battle-winners to overcome you.

That is T2, of course, but in T1 he's good for essentially 2 free rescues and is a beast in general.

I would not recommend any card being able to have a blanket search-and-play like he is currently printed with.  There is a reason Jacob is the most powerful Genesis character in T2 currently, and this guy takes that power and knocks it out of the park by not requiring you to have the card in hand already to play.

Not sure if these cards are being commented on currently, but as a T2 player, I just wanted to throw out there just how terrifying and broken this card is.  To start with, he can pull from my deck RTC x4, plus 4 more times with Abe's Kid to put it back in deck, and on the bottom at that (where it is safe and ready for another pull without being drawn).  If somehow I drew all of those and they aren't available for the search (unlikely), I can instead play Obedience of Noah x4 out of my deck to block with a nobody, or Numerous as the Stars to get everyone out and Zebulon ignore.

Also given the Answer to Prayer x4 and multiple copies to get him out in the first place, he will make Genesis unstoppable.  By giving him CBP, you stop the Confusion of Mind from having any effect, though at least CwD still restricts the play.  The only ways to stop him are with CM (only 1, he will be back), out-of-battle capture (can prevent these with your own artifacts that are standard in Genesis decks currently), or Hezzy's Bling (destructible)/Nazareth (can't be used in most T2 decks because the better decks all search).  Once you get him out (which with 4 copies, 4 Answers, and some Angel at Shur for good measure will happen by turn 3 if you're very unlucky), only a true spread (not multi-colored like Magicians, spread as in two different themes with characters that share no brigades) have any chance of stopping him.  And even then I will CTB and use other nasty battle-winners to overcome you.

That is T2, of course, but in T1 he's good for essentially 2 free rescues and is a beast in general.

I would not recommend any card being able to have a blanket search-and-play like he is currently printed with.  There is a reason Jacob is the most powerful Genesis character in T2 currently, and this guy takes that power and knocks it out of the park by not requiring you to have the card in hand already to play.

We will revise this card further to prevent this kind of abuse. Apologies since I have never played T2.

He's basically just a much better Jacob, and Jacob is already very good.

Suggestion: Have him search for a Genesis 12-24 card and add it to battle. That way, no Obedience and no RTC, among other things (although Answer to Prayer would still present an issue). Also, he could bring Sarah, Isaac, Lot, Angel at Shur, Melchizedeck, Rebekah, or Covenant of Abraham into battle, presenting a lot of fun possibilities.

He's basically just a much better Jacob, and Jacob is already very good.

Indeed.

If I were to make him, I would have him negate and protect Lost Souls from evil cards. In other words, give him a simple yet useful ability that the Genesis theme doesn't already have.

Reword idea:

"Negate Lost Souls and protect them from evil cards. May band to Sarah and/or Isaac. Cannot be prevented."

Abraham will be only blue.

Quote from: Daniel on May 02, 2013, 04:04:35 PM

Abraham will be only blue.

I completely agree.  We don't need to be printing everyone who was ever a prophet in Green.  There is no story in the bible that was actually shaped by Abraham being a prophet, but they are all shaped by his role as The Patriarch.  This is why he fits perfectly in Blue, and a printing in Green would weaken the character biblically.

Honestly, I love the idea of LS negation/protection (but not protecting humans, we don't need more Gideons out there).  You're right, there isn't any of that currently in Genesis, and if you make him big enough, he's not going to get initiative anyway to play one of the many battle-winners in Genesis.  That means he turns into a great add to the deck that adds strategy and abilities without actually creeping the power of Genesis too terribly.

And never gets played because it's horrible. The original version was very overpowered, however I could pretty much never see my self playing a 10/11 blue faithful servant who bands to Sarah/Issac.

 
Besides, currently in the Genesis theme you really only have Jacob and Sons. Abe and other characters connected with him would help expand the theme.

We are also planning a Sarah reprint.

And an Isaac reprint

We are also planning a Sarah reprint.

If this is the case, why not give the band ability to her so Abe is not hit by Household Idols? Just a thought.

Quote from: Redoubter on May 02, 2013, 07:30:30 PM

Quote from: Daniel on May 02, 2013, 04:04:35 PM

Abraham will be only blue.

I completely agree.  We don't need to be printing everyone who was ever a prophet in Green.  There is no story in the bible that was actually shaped by Abraham being a prophet, but they are all shaped by his role as The Patriarch.  This is why he fits perfectly in Blue, and a printing in Green would weaken the character biblically.

Honestly, I love the idea of LS negation/protection (but not protecting humans, we don't need more Gideons out there).  You're right, there isn't any of that currently in Genesis, and if you make him big enough, he's not going to get initiative anyway to play one of the many battle-winners in Genesis.  That means he turns into a great add to the deck that adds strategy and abilities without actually creeping the power of Genesis too terribly.

And never gets played because it's horrible. The original version was very overpowered, however I could pretty much never see my self playing a 10/11 blue faithful servant who bands to Sarah/Issac.

The best block right now is discarding to protect/shuffle LS. If you can turn that off that's extremely powerful without being too much. In addition, shutting off LS is also great in an all OT theme for obvious reasons. Faithful Servant is never used only because he doesn't fit in any specific theme and he doesn't protect from Uzzah, Failed Objective, or Bel's Banquet.

If this is the case, why not give the band ability to her so Abe is not hit by Household Idols? Just a thought.

Her ability is pretty stuffed at this point.

Sarah
6/5 Blue Hero
"Protect Abraham and Sarah from evil Dominants unless Isaac is in play. If Sarah leaves battle, and Abraham remains, search deck, territory, or hand for Hagar and add her to battle. Cannot be interrupted."
~Same verse and art