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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: Rrulez on April 25, 2009, 11:06:57 AM
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Aristotle
5/5 Black Evil Character
"May band with Plato. If Athens is in play, discard a Hero in a territory, or negate the special ability of one Hero in battle."
Plato
10/10 Black Evil Character
"May band with Aristotle. All Philosophers in play cannot be negated."
Socretes
*/* Black Evil Character
"*=the number of Philosophers in play. All Philosophers gain 2/2. If Philosophy is in play, discard a Hero."
Pythia
6/6 Black/Orange Evil Character
"May band with a Demon. Discard all Priests in a territory. Opponent must discard a teal card in their hand to negate this."
Acts 16:17
The Olympic Games
Black Evil Enhancement
"If used by a Greek, search deck for an Artifact and activate it. Artifact is protected from evil Enhancements."
1 Corinthians 9:24-25
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Nice ideas, but most of them really have no reference in the Bible. Also, why would you make the Greek philosophers evil? :angel:
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This thread is provacative.
Christianity would be nothing without the Greek philosophers. St. Augustine was a Platonist, St. Thomas Aquinas an Aristotelian. Socrates made both of those people possible. Even according to Dante, the Greek philosophers were in limbo, not in hell: they weren't able to be saved because they lived three-hundred years before Christ.
Did you know that it was the Greeks, not the Hebrews that first proposed there was only one God? The Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.
If you've read St. Augustine's Gonfessions, he says that it was reading the Platonists that brought him to Christ.
Also, in reference to the Bible, St. Paul uses Aristotelian philosophy in his sermon to Athens and the book of Hebrews was written by first century Platonist, not to mention that Jesus used the Socratic method when speaking.
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Christianity would be nothing without the Greek philosophers.
Are you serious? The Greeks did not give the Jewish people the idea of monotheism, if that is what you are implying; and if not, then that statement is irrelevant. And who cares what kind of philosophy Paul used in his sermon; because I am a Chirstian, am I forbidden to use the philosophies of atheists in my testimony without being accused of getting my religion from them? Also, just a guess, maybe Jesus used the Socratic method because people were used to that at the time. It was a system that worked well (and by the way, he didn't use it all the time).
I don't think Christianity would be any less at all without the Greek philosophers. It was Jesus Christ I believe that contributed the most to Christianity.
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The Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.
I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.
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Nice ideas, but most of them really have no reference in the Bible. Also, why would you make the Greek philosophers evil? :angel:
Because they weren't Christians and they taught some untrue philosophies.
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The Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.
I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.
The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"
It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.
Nice ideas, but most of them really have no reference in the Bible. Also, why would you make the Greek philosophers evil? :angel:
Because they weren't Christians and they taught some untrue philosophies.
They died before Christ; according to Dante they're in limbo.
They "taught some untrue philosophies"? None that were incompatible with Christianity (on the contrary, Nietzsche once called Christianity "Platonism for the masses"). Specific examples, please.
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The Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.
I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.
The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"
It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.
Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?
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The Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.
I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.
The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"
It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.
Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?
No, I actually traced it back to the existentialist literature (i.e. Genesis, Job, Ecclesiastes).
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The Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.
I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.
The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"
It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.
Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?
No, I actually traced it back to the existentialist literature (i.e. Genesis, Job, Ecclesiastes).
The belief in Yeshua? That can't be true. Yes, christian princable. Moses looked past the Torah. He obeyed a higher law.
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The Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.
I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.
The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"
It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.
Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?
No, I actually traced it back to the existentialist literature (i.e. Genesis, Job, Ecclesiastes).
The belief in Yeshua? That can't be true. Yes, christian princable. Moses looked past the Torah. He obeyed a higher law.
Law is not a part of Christianity. Rather, the law has been suspended for the sake of God's higher purpose: a teleological suspension of the ethical, is what Kierkegaard called it.
Basically, we as Christians have a calling to pursue God's goal for us, all else is secondary.
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The Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.
I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.
The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"
It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.
Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?
No, I actually traced it back to the existentialist literature (i.e. Genesis, Job, Ecclesiastes).
The belief in Yeshua? That can't be true. Yes, christian princable. Moses looked past the Torah. He obeyed a higher law.
Law is not a part of Christianity. Rather, the law has been suspended for the sake of God's higher purpose: a teleological suspension of the ethical, is what Kierkegaard called it.
Basically, we as Christians have a calling to pursue God's goal for us, all else is secondary.
I see what you're saying. But Yeshua presented a higher law. Thou shalt not murder? Don't even hate. Thou shalt not commit adultery? Don't even look at a woman with lust. Just about everyone can follow the Torah, and not believe it in his heart. I can prevent myself from murdering someone, but I can't always prevent myself from feeling unrighteous anger. The law is secondary to what God's purpose is for us, but secondary only. That doesnt completely wipe away the law just because it is secondary.
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*Going back on topic*
This looks like fun. I just need a reusable band for Plato and Socrates, and then it would be epic. :)
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The Hebrews before that time were a monotheistic culture but did not deny the existance of other gods such as Baal, Asherah, etc.
I lol'd a little. A kid in Sunday School knows the answer to this one.
The little kid in Sunday school would have probably been taught that they Hebrews believed them to be false gods; however, this view would be incorrect. If the Hebrews viewed Asherah and Baal to not even be real, why would they continue to be unfaithful to YHWH and worship them? It's not until the exile to Babylon (the Zoroastrians were dualists, meaning that there was a god over good and a god over evil) that the Hebrews began to believe that YHWH was sovereign over all. During the Maccabeean period, the Jews were introduced to the Platonic "Form of the Good" and the Aristotelian "unmoved mover", and (as one of my religion major buddies once said), "they said, hey, that sounds like our God!"
It's naive to say that Christianity is without outside influence; on the contrary, I once wrote a paper tracing the roots of Christian thought to 500BC.
Christian thought? Are you talking about the Messianic prophecies?
No, I actually traced it back to the existentialist literature (i.e. Genesis, Job, Ecclesiastes).
The belief in Yeshua? That can't be true. Yes, christian princable. Moses looked past the Torah. He obeyed a higher law.
Law is not a part of Christianity. Rather, the law has been suspended for the sake of God's higher purpose: a teleological suspension of the ethical, is what Kierkegaard called it.
Basically, we as Christians have a calling to pursue God's goal for us, all else is secondary.
I see what you're saying. But Yeshua presented a higher law. Thou shalt not murder? Don't even hate. Thou shalt not commit adultery? Don't even look at a woman with lust. Just about everyone can follow the Torah, and not believe it in his heart. I can prevent myself from murdering someone, but I can't always prevent myself from feeling unrighteous anger. The law is secondary to what God's purpose is for us, but secondary only. That doesnt completely wipe away the law just because it is secondary.
1 Corinthians 6:12 would beg to disagree.
*Going back on topic*
This looks like fun. I just need a reusable band for Plato and Socrates, and then it would be epic. :)
Except that it makes absolutely no sense.
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*Going back on topic*
This looks like fun. I just need a reusable band for Plato and Socrates, and then it would be epic. :)
Except that it makes absolutely no sense.
I worded that poorly. I didn't mean "let them band together", I meant find a way to band them together (ie: Set Socrates aside with Habitation of Demons, band him to Cubus, band her to Lot's Wife, and band her to Plato. There is probably a shorter way, but thats all I could think of off the top of my head).
I know it wouldn't make sense for them to band together.
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*Going back on topic*
This looks like fun. I just need a reusable band for Plato and Socrates, and then it would be epic. :)
Except that it makes absolutely no sense.
I worded that poorly. I didn't mean "let them band together", I meant find a way to band them together (ie: Set Socrates aside with Habitation of Demons, band him to Cubus, band her to Lot's Wife, and band her to Plato. There is probably a shorter way, but thats all I could think of off the top of my head).
I know it wouldn't make sense for them to band together.
Well, I mean, Plato was a pupil of Socrates, so that would make sense; however, it still makes no sense that they are evil.