Cactus Game Design Message Boards

Andrew 5/5
Purple
Identifiers: Disciple
May search deck for Fishing Boat and/or band to Peter. Cannot be Prevented.
Reference: Same

Peter 10/10
Purple/ Green
Identifiers: Disciple, Prophet
Prevent all  Withdraw and Play abilities. Holder may return a captured Hero to Owner's Territory after a successful rescue attempt.

Fishers of Men
Purple
X = # of Disciples in battle
If used by a Disciple, Convert up to X male Evil Characters regardless of protection to Red Heroes. Cannot be Prevented if Fishing Boat is occupied.

Miraculous Catch
2/3 Purple TC
Identifier: X = # of  your Disciples in play
Place in Territory. If Fishing Boat is set aside, reveal the top X cards of any deck. Place humans in Owner's hand and Lost Souls in Owner's Land of Bondage. Place the rest beneath deck. Discard after two turns.

The banding is a thing the all disciple have, except for Simon since his partner was Judas. Then you have Nazareth to stop Andrew's search ability and I believe Hezzy's ring does as well. So they aren't that powerful. Herod's still can capture cause some of their's are CBP is used by a Herod

I changed the capture to withdraw and took Peter's CBN away along with drop Andrew to a 5/5

Added a Enhancement that is well balanced I believe

Please put a limit 3 or somethin on that enhancement convert 11 evil characters CBN is so op especially against meta defenses

Also note, Boat is not in play, so if you put Territory for that, it wouldn't help.
And I am highly against Peter being Green and a Prophet ( because no one has shown where he is a prophet) and even if he was, I don't see where it would merit him to be Green.

Also, because of the redefinition of and, it now means and/or. Also, maybe change Fishers of Men to be:
"If used by a Disciple, Convert X Evil Characters in Battle to Red Heroes. Cannot be prevented."

Note: I thought X was Disciples in battle, I noticed it was in territory afterwards.

Actually it is because W/ Thad, he need Disciples in play. Most players don't put all their Disciples in Boat unless there is no LS to Rescue. Even then I'd also use Matt's effect via a bc instead which also needs Disciples in play too.

Also note, Boat is not in play, so if you put Territory for that, it wouldn't help.
And I am highly against Peter being Green and a Prophet ( because no one has shown where he is a prophet) and even if he was, I don't see where it would merit him to be Green.

On your first point, that is why I said it would be easy to get a 6-8 CBN convert so someone can man the boat.

On your second, I was not raised Catholic nor have had the opportunity to study it as extensively as I would like, but I believe this has something to do with all of the keys and delegated authority being given to Peter, and that he therefore could open the doors for prophecy.  And Catholic teachings do find their way into the game for certain reasons (not a knock, just a statement ).

Again...not able to research this like I would prefer before answering, so can someone more versed help me here if possible?

If you look on Boat it says set-aside, so it is not in territory and if you had used it ability the disciple would be under the deck. It really isn't that OP as you people believe.

You wouldn't put them beneath deck if you had this ability. And again, as I said, very easy to pull off a 6-8 CBN convert, which is incredibly OP.

Updated to where it's only those of */X or greater to balance it out more

Still OP, as you just reduce it to the toughness you want with Boat set-asides and can still easily convert everyone.  Most defenses won't have out more than 4-5 at a time (at most, and meta even less), and you just reduce the number of Disciples to their toughness and roll.

You need to reduce it, either to the number of Disciples in battle or a hard max of 2-3 EC.

The CBP is much better, though.

Oh, meant to ask earlier: Confused by change to Red Brigade heroes for Fishers?  Not sure I understand that brigade in particular, though it's true Purple may be a bad idea (always interesting to convert a useful EC to a brigade you use...).

Miraculous Catch
2/3 Purple
If Fishing Boat is out, reveal the top five cards of your deck. Place humans in hand and Lost Souls in Land of Bondage. Place the rest beneath deck.

Intrigued by this card.  Might be more useful as a TC enhancement.  Not sure it's OP due to the generation of LS for your opponent to rescue...and it works well with the theme of a "harvest" to convert (since it sends evil humans to hand too).

On the wording, it should read "If Fishing Boat is in play or set-aside..." (please note that there are scenarios when it can't get to set-aside...)

...I like it   My only suggestion would be to consider adding an X to it based on Disciples in play or set-aside (if you make it a TC at least, since you can just transfer and play it anyway), or Disciples in Fishing Boat (if you leave it without a TC, this would make it even more interesting, but maybe too cumbersome...just a thought).

That was my suggestion for them to be Red. I'd drop the Male and 6/* or more part. Since it is now in battle, it won't be used because it doesnt do anything to most Meta defenses. Maybe if u add Regardless of Protection, then it would be better so it's not a copy of A New Commandment.

Made Catch where it could be used to generate souls for you to rescue too

Negating Boat and Kicking it out of Set-Aside.

Here's the problem here, the vision Peter saw was more of a reminder of what Jesus and the Prophets taught, it's all throughout the Bible that the Gentiles would be able to be saved. One example is the blessing to Abraham about his Desendents, when he says all Nations would be blessed. With Annanias & Safarah that is Revelation not prophecy, and as was mentioned before, he talks of the end of the world in a general sense, it doesn't seem like any actual prophecy.

I'll post something on the Ruling Questions thread about it and see if there is a real clear explaination of why he is a Prophet.

Peter should be rainbow like Paul.