Author Topic: Persian Ideas (Read 2454 times)

sk · « **on:** December 23, 2009, 03:20:13 PM »

Pastor's been going through Daniel, and I saw a few possibilities.

Laws of Medes and Persians
Artifact
Enhancements used by Persians cannot be interrupted. If an evil Persian is converted to a hero, return all captured heroes to owners’ territories and discard all Persian Presidents from play.
Identifiers: Persian
Daniel 6:15

Lion’s Den
White Site
Holds X humans. If your Persian is blocking a rescue attempt, you may capture a human and place in Lion’s Den. On holder's upkeep, if no captured heroes are in Lion's Den, discard a Persian evil character. Animals cannot be ignored unless a Daniel hero is in play.
X = number of Lions in play
Identifiers: Persian

Daniel
White/Green Brigade Hero
Protect all captured heroes from discard. If an angel is in play, Daniel ignores all animals and beasts for remainder of game. Cannot be negated unless Lion’s Den is in play.
Identifiers: Israelite, Babylonian, Persian, Prophet

King Darius
White/Purple Brigade Hero
Holder may release a hero in Lion’s Den to discard all Persians with a capture ability. If Haggai or Zechariah are in play, you may add one to battle to search deck for Z’s Temple or a High Priest and put in play.
Identifiers: Mede, Persian, Royalty
Daniel 5:31

King Darius’ Decree
Brown Brigade Enhancement
If King Darius is in play, capture a hero with a Daniel reference to discard all heroes in battle.
Identifiers: Persian
Daniel 6:9

Satraps
1/2 Brown Brigade Evil Character
If a hero is in set aside, you may band to a generic Persian to search deck for Lion’s Den and put in play. Any heroes captured this battle may be placed in Lion’s Den.
Identifiers: Generic, Persian
Daniel 6:1

Lions
12/1 Brown Brigade Evil Character
Discard a human in Lion’s Den. May band to all Lions in play (regardless of protection) to protect all captured heroes in Lion’s Den from rescue. Cannot be negated by a human.
Identifiers: Generic, Persian, Animal

Darius' New Decree
White Brigade Enhancement
If used by a Persian, convert any evil character to a white brigade hero. You may place this card on that hero to protect all heroes in play from conversion.
Daniel 6:26

Angel in the Lion's Den
Silver Brigade Hero
May band to a white brigade hero with a Daniel reference to negate the special ability on animals and single-color sites.
Daniel 6:22

Master KChief · « **Reply #1 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:25:18 PM »

me likey!

sk · « **Reply #2 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:34:59 PM »

Thanks!

Any thoughts for numbers for Daniel & Darius? I'm not very clever in that regard.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:36:59 PM »

King D's Decree might be better with Daniel hero rather than only Daniel.

sk · « **Reply #4 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:42:22 PM »

Good idea. Adjusted.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #5 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:48:49 PM »

WAY too much CBN battle-winning. And against a Persian defense, only those who are Protected from Capture or massively banding would have a chance.

sk · « **Reply #6 on:** December 23, 2009, 05:41:00 PM »

I was thinking the CBN status is fairly reasonable.
- The artifact isn't too different than Asherah Pole. Plus, it's pretty in line with the scripture.
- Daniel's ability isn't particularly useful vs anyone but Persians and Herods, and even then is stopped by Lion's Den (which Persians would have). Plus, it's no better an ability than FSP.
- Darius' Decree requires a Daniel hero (which pretty much requires a Persian offense), and is only CBN if Lion's Den or Laws are out.
- Lions isn't CBN vs angels (which most decks have), plus the ability just makes the souls in one site unable to be rescued.
- Persians have no protection fort. Seems like brown's serious CBN makes up for that.

Do you disagree?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #7 on:** December 24, 2009, 01:50:29 AM »

1. The Artifact is very different from Asherah Pole. First, it doesn't take up your Art slot. Activate it on your Persian king, stick him in Goshen, and both your offense and defense enjoys CBN everything until your opponent is able to target Goshen. Second, it works for both offense and defense. Anything that makes CBN battle-winners, especially on offense, with no balance is not ok. Third, it's only you. If you're using Apole, you have to be careful about attacking with O.T. Heroes. With this card, you only get bit if your opponent is also using Persians, and it doesn't really matter because he'd have this card too.

2. Yeah, his SA is useless, but his Enhancements are CBN with the Artifact and he can play both Green and White pre-block. As in, he can play White's Ignores CBN pre-block.

3. First, Darius' Decree is already a card. But even if this were appropriately named, it's one of the most powerful battle-winners in the game. A CBN kill all with a condition that is dependent on you rather than your opponent, and you get to stuff Raider's Camp in the same move. It's CBN either if you have Lion's Den in play or if the ridiculously OP Artifact is active.

4. Oh, he's not CBN against Angels. So? Against Humans he's invincible unless you're banding (in which case you'll get hit with a CBN Darius' Decree) or Protected from Capture. And against Angels he doesn't need to be CBN. He has bigger numbers than Captain or TSA, can't be targeted by any Silver battle-winner, and has Brown's arsenal of CBN battle-winners to back him up.

5. Protection Fort nothing. Stick color guard in Pergamum and Persians are wtfpwn. Not to mention Judean kings DO have a Protection fort and can use Darius' Decree.

All of these cards are thoroughly OP.

sk · « **Reply #8 on:** December 24, 2009, 03:43:45 AM »

Ah, I understand your beef with Laws of Medes and Persians. The laws simply weren't able to be 'negated' at the time -- see how powerful this was in both Daniel and Esther. I had hoped the way to pre-block smash the Presidents would help, but obviously not. I changed it to CBI, does that help?

David, Paul, and Zechariah+Alter can do the same basic thing as Daniel. Plus, that non-TGT ignore needs a small boost. Also, the real Darius' Decree would stop him.

Changed King Darius' Decree's CBN status. I realized it already existed, but wanted to have a way to make his decree unstoppable via Laws -- the current Darius;' Decree is a DoN magnet.

For Lion's Den, what if there was an added, "During holder's upkeep, discard a Persian evil character or captured hero from player's territory."?

I'm still not sure why Lions scare you. Is it because they're animals?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #9 on:** December 24, 2009, 04:10:57 AM »

No, CBI is the facet of CBN I have a problem with.

Paul can, but he has to be Converted first. Having a White/Green Prophet right off the bat is too much. It's true that DD would stop it, but it's also true that DD is a DoN magnet.

Now it's good, powerful but not OP. Unless that Artifact is up...

That would make it even more powerful, as you could empty it every turn and not even need to use Lions to infini-block. But it does need a lot of balancing.

On their own, Lions is merely good. A 12/12 Animal is difficult to beat as they can't be targeted by much. Idk why they're as buff as the Leviathan, but that's another issue. But paired with Lion's Den, they automatically CBN block anyone who isn't banding or protected from Capture.

sk · « **Reply #10 on:** December 24, 2009, 08:10:05 AM »

Thanks for the feedback.

I removed the "place on a Persian" bit from Laws of Medes and Persians. It wasn't needed, and it balances Daniel out.

Lion’s Den now requires the discarding of a Persian EC if no captured heroes are in it.

King Darius’ Decree is no longer CBN on its own, and I added the requirement that Darius be in play.

Lions is now 12/1. I like the 12 because you can't really expect to come away unscathed one-on-one with a lion, but I agree that 12/12 is too big.

Added Angel in the Lion's Den. That should encourage the splashing of silver in a Persian offense, which will help vs the Lions.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #11 on:** December 24, 2009, 02:58:14 PM »

Make it all single color sites. Then it can be more useful than one card.

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