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I'm only responding to a couple things (and I tried to avoid anything that could be viewed as a liberty or personal issue) in hopes of reconcilation. If you are going to take some of my comments so personally, I will simply not respond to them.

When you say that Solomon didn't use the right opening do you realize what you are doing?  Woe woe woe, who the hell do you think you are?  Do you think you're the Judge of Right & Wrong?  You basically just said God is wrong, you shrunk God down to your level and you are judging His Word, setting yourself up as the Judge of Right & Wrong and it all comes from pride.  I never said that Solomon being a sinner disqualified him from being used by God, in fact I defended him and I do accept his books as scripture, quit trying to turn this into an argument.

If you were not trying to slight Solomon, why bother mention the obvious fact that he is a sinner, followed by a list of some of his egregious sins, all preceded by comments that he was not in a proper relationship with God when he wrote Ecclesiastes.

I am not judging anything other than you. You are clearly well versed biblically, do you not also know that Paul called us to judge those who claim to be teachers and to hold their words accountable that we might not be led astray? I am not attempting to judge God. I am attempting to judge the message you are bringing which I have found to be lacking. You appear to have assumed that I am judging God by judging you. I fear you have attached your personal message and doctrines that are "second level" doctrines (the exact nature of the eucharist, predestinaton, etc) to what I call "first level" doctrines (Christ's Divinity, Christ's Death for Salvation is sufficient, etc), which are the basis of Christianity. First level doctrines can not be altered if you wish to retain salvation. I imagine we are both in agreement on these doctrines. However, we clearly disagree on a second level doctrine (namely Solomon's message in Ecclesiastes). This does not make either of us pagan, evil, unchristian, or anything of the like. We simply disagree because we imperfectly know. There will be a time when we will more perfectly know, just as we are perfectly known, and somehow I have a sneaking suspicion that whoever is wrong will not care.

As for your response to point one, I am not sure what your trying to suggest. You are going to have to expand on why using the word "vanity" means he has a terrible attitude. That sounds like a classic case of not understanding context or ignoring context in order to line up your preconcieved notions with things that simply aren't in the book. Perhaps this is not the case, but you are going to have to expand your thoughts, not list the different times he uses vanities. Thank you.

I want to respond specifically to point 9 also. You say I am supposed to be quick to believe because I am a believer. Nay, I would say I should be even slower to believe! I have a firm foundation in Christ that is unshakeable. Paul constantly warned against false teachers, as did John. Christians have been called to keep their minds pure and to judge words of teachers with the Bible to find their truth. I see and have seen nothing in scripture that encourages quick belief. My mind is not to be chaff blown in the wind.

Finally, your use of what many consider to be profanity saddens me. While I personally am not offending by it (I feel the issue is one of Christian liberty and interpretation of certain passages), I am certainly you know that there are those here who do not appreciate terms used in such a way. I would encourage you not to use such terms here in the future, as it will most certainly cloud your points to many here. If you are condemned by your conscience and the Spirit for it, so be it. But I would encourage you not to exercise your liberties in a place where it will offend others, as that is not what Christian liberties are about.

Quote from: Master KChief on July 27, 2010, 05:24:18 PM

delarosajon, there is no need for the cursing. i suggest you remove it before it gets reported and removed.

hell is a biblical word.

While this is true, not in the context in which it was used. Also, in our culture, in that context, it is not a biblical word.

Many curse words are in the bible. A fatherless' child(Deut 23:2), the place of the damned, and many others. Just because they are used does NOT make them right, especially used against your Christian brothers. I've read all the arguments. Truthfully, I have my own opinions but I will not post them here because Alex has already won the argument. Not through fact, nor through proof, but for the fact he kept his cool. I really do not care if the word is biblical. In this culture it is a known swear. Culture needs to be taken into account before things are said. If I bow as a sign of respect, it is not the same as bowing to worship. Your post is reported. Please think of how you should treat your brothers before posting again, I implore you. I understand your rage at feeling someone is twisting God's word but it doesn't justify what you did. God doesn't need us to defend him. He wants us to love each other and rebuke in that love. If a little child said what Alex did would you say what you said? Or would you calmly have talked to him?

Proper way to handle this:

Steps:
1: Check with your pastor to make sure you are in the right. Pray during this whole process.
2: If your brother offends you, take it to a PM, come to him 1-1
3: If he does not listen then take it to him via a group pm with you and another.
4: Then take it to the congregation, or in this case the boards to see what is to be done.

I posted this rather than PMs because of the amount of people involved. How can we witness to the world when we can't even treat each other with respect?

Lovingly,
Joshua

This isn't winning Josh, this is about simply trying to elucidate passages of Scripture that are unclear and understanding viewpoints opposing your own. I edited my first post in this topic, FWIW, because it came across as personal and aggressive. I noted this in the post.

How about you go read the forum rules about curseing. And in that context by the rules of this forum it is a curse word so please refrain from useing hell in that context. Also I reported his post and I'm about to report another post.

I actually did not, and would not encourage reporting him if you wish to post in this thread. I am sorry to hear you have done as such. It is clear others have reported him. If you wish to report, then there is no need to add this message, as you have done your duty. As Josh astutely pointed out, the best way to handle things is privately (when personal issues are involved). I don't see a need for you to add a message simply to say "I reported you." (essentially). So, in the future, keep that in mind.

I reported his brother first and then him. Honsetly(No spellcheck) I'm done in this thread.(Btw neato card)

No body wins in an arguement, we're commanded not to.

Not really the point here, Daniel.

im sure the cursing wasnt appreciated by most.

Neither was Jesus.

Quote from: Master KChief on July 27, 2010, 09:51:45 PM

im sure the cursing wasnt appreciated by most.

Neither was Jesus.

I would be VERY wary of comparing cursing and Jesus. Though both were not appreciated, one was not appreciated because it was right and one because it is just not needed.

Quote from: BubbleBoy on July 27, 2010, 10:17:46 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on July 27, 2010, 09:51:45 PM

im sure the cursing wasnt appreciated by most.

Neither was Jesus.

I would be VERY wary of comparing cursing and Jesus.

In all honesty, I hadn't read the whole thread at the time I posted that, but I thought that I had and knew what was going on, so I posted what may possibly have been funny in that situation (which now I can't even remember what I thought was). Sorry, I wasn't trying to be a troll.

Thanks, I feel better now...

Yes Prof, you're right. I am in the wrong on how I used the word; forgive me.

I appreciate your willingness to apologize and I gladly forgive you