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So, that means enoch didn't write his own book, that could be a problem.

Sorry, took that quote out of context, but that article you gave is still terrible.

"Lastly, Redemption is Christian oriented and thus has leaned towards an anti semitic view of Jews."

Umm.. no, almost all of the heroes in redemption are jews, and as christians, we believe in the bible, which was a historical book about jews, written by jews. Hellenistic Jews are people who believe in both the old testament, and Greek mythology. so ya know, a "christian book" they write is pretty trustworthy.

Enoch 10:25-26

25Purify the earth from all oppression, from all injustice, from all crime, from all impiety, and from all the pollution which is committed upon it. Exterminate them from the earth.

26Then shall all the children of men be righteous, and all nations shall pay me divine honours, and bless me; and all shall adore me.

Here, it makes it sound as though God wants to take away our free will. in the real bible, He clearly tells all the people, through noah, that they have a choice.

Enoch 14:2

2And understand with the heart. As he has created and given to men the power of comprehending the word of understanding, so has he created and given to me the power of reproving the Watchers, the offspring of heaven. I have written your petition; and in my vision it has been shown me, that what you request will not be granted you as long as the world endures.

so... enoch has control over angels? um, no.

Chapter 20

1These are the names of the angels who watch.

2Uriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over clamor and terror.

3Raphael, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of men.

4Raguel, one of the holy angels, who inflicts punishment on the world and the luminaries.

5Michael, one of the holy angels, who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations.

6Sarakiel, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of the children of men that transgress.

7Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over Ikisat, (31) over paradise, and over the cherubim.

(31) Ikisat. The serpents (Charles, p. 92; Knibb, p. 107).

So, there is a "holy" angel for terror? and one for our souls? Michael can control our virtues? this makes no sense! plus, aside from Michael and Gabriel, none of these angels are mentioned anywhere else in the bible!

clearly, there are some theological errors in these chapters. Also, you say it should be "respected as a historical document" there is nothing historical about this. the only thing slightly historical is the flood, but all it says about that is the word "deluge" twice in reference to it. i don't understand how this is biblical at all.

in all seriousness, let's just drop this argument, and let's say we have separate view points.
 

Consider this a warning gentleman. I will lock/move if we're not a little more civil

Yeah, lesson learned, don't comment on theologically controversial post

Consider this a warning gentleman. I will lock/move if we're not a little more civil

He isnt saying not to discuss it, he is saying that you were coming cross a bit rude, and to be nicer about it.

also, I liked the cards, but dont you think the watchers should be a bi bigger in numbers? they were pretty powerfull in the movie if I remember correctly.

Next: Redemption cards based on 2016 presidential candidates!!!

Next: Redemption cards based on 2016 presidential candidates!!!

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Quote from: Daniel on March 10, 2016, 11:45:51 PM

Next: Redemption cards based on 2016 presidential candidates!!!

Redemption cards should have--at the least--the barest smidgeon of Christian-related content (IMO).

Pretty sure most of the GOP candidates claim to be Christians.

Quote from: Daniel on March 10, 2016, 11:45:51 PM

Next: Redemption cards based on 2016 presidential candidates!!!

Redemption cards should have--at the least--the barest smidgeon of Christian-related content (IMO).

Read my post as a joke in context with the thread and it should make more sense