Author Topic: NOAH Movie Cards (with images) (Read 7267 times)

Daniel · « **on:** May 14, 2014, 04:51:28 PM »

I was bored and it's thunderstorming so here you go. I might add more later.

megamanlan · « **Reply #1 on:** May 14, 2014, 05:49:56 PM »

The 'watchers' in the Bible were actually Demons so...

Daniel · « **Reply #2 on:** May 14, 2014, 06:08:12 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on May 14, 2014, 05:49:56 PM

The 'watchers' in the Bible were actually Demons so...

There's a difference between a demon and a fallen angel. The watchers were fallen angels who, in the film Noah, are ultimately redeemed.

megamanlan · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2014, 06:13:48 PM »

Demons are by definition Fallen Angels. Either way, the movie wasn't exactly Biblically accurate as the Giants are generally acknowledged are evil considering the passage. Mostly I'm looking more at the Biblical account though, less of the movie.

Daniel · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2014, 06:35:56 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on May 14, 2014, 06:13:48 PM

Demons are by definition Fallen Angels. Either way, the movie wasn't exactly Biblically accurate as the Giants are generally acknowledged are evil considering the passage. Mostly I'm looking more at the Biblical account though, less of the movie.

Fallen angels are merely angels who fall out of favour and into a sinful state. They are not necessarily evil, nor ill-intentioned. Demons, or "unclean spirits" are expressly evil beings who seek to possess or manipulate another being.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2014, 07:13:01 PM »

Ila's ability should be "May band to any male, or maybe female, hero. Ignore all male, and probably some female, evil characters. Cannot be negated."

DON'T ASK QUESTIONS, JUST DO IT.

Chris · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2014, 07:32:00 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on May 14, 2014, 06:13:48 PM

Demons are by definition Fallen Angels.

This is false. Demons and fallen angels are entirely separate beings, and the question of whether fallen angels can be redeemed is completely unanswered in the Bible.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2014, 07:34:12 PM »

Quote from: REG

Demons are non-human Evil Characters of demonic origin. All beasts are also considered demons (see Beast).

DrowningFish · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2014, 08:47:13 PM »

The serpent would be going in my deck right away. Low numbers and use of any enhancements ? Sign me up

Daniel · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2014, 08:57:26 PM »

Quote from: Chris on May 14, 2014, 07:32:00 PM

Quote from: megamanlan on May 14, 2014, 06:13:48 PM
Demons are by definition Fallen Angels.

This is false. Demons and fallen angels are entirely separate beings, and the question of whether fallen angels can be redeemed is completely unanswered in the Bible.

Chris! I missed you friend.

asrgimli · « **Reply #10 on:** May 15, 2014, 09:39:10 AM »

Watcher doesn't specify how long to be set aside for...is it just until a card would allow him to come back?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #11 on:** May 15, 2014, 11:32:04 AM »

Quote from: Colin

This thread is provacative.

soul seeker · « **Reply #12 on:** May 15, 2014, 12:27:43 PM »

Quote from: Chris on May 14, 2014, 07:32:00 PM

Quote from: megamanlan on May 14, 2014, 06:13:48 PM
Demons are by definition Fallen Angels.

This is false. Demons and fallen angels are entirely separate beings, and the question of whether fallen angels can be redeemed is completely unanswered in the Bible.

If you make them separate beings, then you must account for the origin of both. Unless proven different by the Bible, I will agree with megamanlan that the terms are interchangeable and thus the beings are one and the same.

To my knowledge, the only mention of "Watcher" is in Nebby's dream in Daniel 4. It is an Angel of God who carries out God's judgement on Earth. Only non-biblical Jewish legend connects it to Genesis...which as I stated is non-biblical. Thus, the one mention of "Watcher" in the Bible is not demonic but not Earth-dwelling giants either.

As for the movie "Noah," it is heretical and nothing trustworthy can be gleaned from it.

Daniel · « **Reply #13 on:** May 15, 2014, 12:34:52 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on May 15, 2014, 12:27:43 PM

Quote from: Chris on May 14, 2014, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: megamanlan on May 14, 2014, 06:13:48 PM
Demons are by definition Fallen Angels.

This is false. Demons and fallen angels are entirely separate beings, and the question of whether fallen angels can be redeemed is completely unanswered in the Bible.
If you make them separate beings, then you must account for the origin of both. Unless proven different by the Bible, I will agree with megamanlan that the terms are interchangeable and thus the beings are one and the same.

To my knowledge, the only mention of "Watcher" is in Nebby's dream in Daniel 4. It is an Angel of God who carries out God's judgement on Earth. Only non-biblical Jewish legend connects it to Genesis...which as I stated is non-biblical. Thus, the one mention of "Watcher" in the Bible is not demonic but not Earth-dwelling giants either.

As for the movie "Noah," it is heretical and nothing trustworthy can be gleaned from it.

To be fair, there is no passage in the bible that explains the origin of demons, much less fallen angels. Only extra-biblical books like The Book of Enoch go into detail about such things. And before you say that the book of Enoch is not trustworthy, all of the authors of the bible were influenced by Enoch and many of them quoted from it.

Josh · « **Reply #14 on:** May 15, 2014, 01:27:41 PM »

Quote from: Daniel on May 15, 2014, 12:34:52 PM

All of the authors of the bible were influenced by Enoch and many of them quoted from it.

Source? As far as I know, the only quote from the book of Enoch came in the book of Jude. And I don't know how you could prove/disprove that Enoch influenced all (not some!) Biblical authors.

Daniel · « **Reply #15 on:** May 15, 2014, 01:40:41 PM »

Quote from: jmhartz on May 15, 2014, 01:27:41 PM

Quote from: Daniel on May 15, 2014, 12:34:52 PM
All of the authors of the bible were influenced by Enoch and many of them quoted from it.

Source? As far as I know, the only quote from the book of Enoch came in the book of Jude. And I don't know how you could prove/disprove that Enoch influenced all (not some!) Biblical authors.

Well for starters, Jesus himself quoted Enoch. Is that good enough for ya?

Matthew 5:5 - "Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth."

Enoch 5:7 - "The elect shall possess light, joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth."

John 5:22 - "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son..."

Enoch 69:27 - "The principal part of the judgment was assigned to him, the Son of man..."

joeychips · « **Reply #16 on:** May 15, 2014, 02:24:04 PM »

Quote from: Daniel on May 14, 2014, 04:51:28 PM

I was bored and it's thunderstorming so here you go. I might add more later.

Daniel, How did you make these cards? Very cool. Is there an online program that does this automatically?

Daniel · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2014, 02:29:20 PM »

Quote from: joeychips on May 15, 2014, 02:24:04 PM

Quote from: Daniel on May 14, 2014, 04:51:28 PM
I was bored and it's thunderstorming so here you go. I might add more later.
Daniel, How did you make these cards? Very cool. Is there an online program that does this automatically?

Thanks Joey Chips! I made these all in Photoshop. There IS a program for this however for Windows and Mac...check it out here!

Ironisaac · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2016, 09:43:10 PM »

So, i know that i shouldn't really be resurrecting a topic this old, but i would like to set the record straight, that the book of enoch is false, and i have several links here talking about it if you want to go into more depth on the subject.

http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-book-of-enoch-is-fake-alert.html
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm
http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html

Once again, sorry for bringing this back up, i just don't want anyone to get confused who might be going through old posts and happens to stumble upon this one. THE BOOK OF ENOCH IS FLASE!

Also, fallen angels are the same as demons. why you ask? Its in the name. FALLEN It implies that they have fallen from heaven and cannot attain their previously holy state. here's a link explaining more about this too.
http://www.gotquestions.org/fallen-angels.html

dermo4christ · « **Reply #19 on:** March 04, 2016, 12:43:09 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on May 15, 2014, 12:27:43 PM

Quote from: Chris on May 14, 2014, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: megamanlan on May 14, 2014, 06:13:48 PM
Demons are by definition Fallen Angels.

This is false. Demons and fallen angels are entirely separate beings, and the question of whether fallen angels can be redeemed is completely unanswered in the Bible.
If you make them separate beings, then you must account for the origin of both. Unless proven different by the Bible, I will agree with megamanlan that the terms are interchangeable and thus the beings are one and the same.

To my knowledge, the only mention of "Watcher" is in Nebby's dream in Daniel 4. It is an Angel of God who carries out God's judgement on Earth. Only non-biblical Jewish legend connects it to Genesis...which as I stated is non-biblical. Thus, the one mention of "Watcher" in the Bible is not demonic but not Earth-dwelling giants either.

As for the movie "Noah," it is heretical and nothing trustworthy can be gleaned from it.

OH MY GOODNESS!!! SO AGREED!!!!

Daniel · « **Reply #20 on:** March 04, 2016, 12:55:19 PM »

Quote from: Ironisaac on March 03, 2016, 09:43:10 PM

So, i know that i shouldn't really be resurrecting a topic this old, but i would like to set the record straight, that the book of enoch is false, and i have several links here talking about it if you want to go into more depth on the subject.

http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-book-of-enoch-is-fake-alert.html
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm
http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html

Once again, sorry for bringing this back up, i just don't want anyone to get confused who might be going through old posts and happens to stumble upon this one. THE BOOK OF ENOCH IS FLASE!

Also, fallen angels are the same as demons. why you ask? Its in the name. FALLEN It implies that they have fallen from heaven and cannot attain their previously holy state. here's a link explaining more about this too.
http://www.gotquestions.org/fallen-angels.html

I take it you're pretty young, your sources there are all over the place.

Thanks for checking out my Noah cards, inspired by the Noah film.

Ironisaac · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2016, 12:57:48 PM »

Quote

I take it you're pretty young, your sources there are all over the place.

Thanks for checking out my Noah cards, inspired by the Noah film.

What are your sources?

Daniel · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2016, 01:03:53 PM »

Jesus-is-savior is a joke and should not be used for any serious research.

The Book of Enoch is an ancient book, most of the New Testament writers were familiar with it. It is dated to 300 BC.

Please refer to this article compiling sources on apocalyptic literature.

Ironisaac · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2016, 02:33:25 PM »

300 bc? you mean to tell me encoh lived 300 years before christ?

what doesn't add up here? enoch lived THOUSANDS of years before christ.

Also, that link made NO sense. what even is this? this is one of the sentences from it. please explain what this is.

"Ireck frag- ment \\t.. ^ova in 18, (Lavio^apa. in 28 i, and fia^ijpa. in L'l i. The first is, it is true, an .\ram. form of ^15 and the two latter onaip."

and this is just weird

"By the exegesis of later times, the statement that ICnoch walked with God (Gen. 24 ; see Enoch) was taken to mean that he enjoyed superhuman privileges of intercourse with God, and in this intercourse received revelations as to the nature of the heavens and the earth, the present lot and the destinies of men and angels. "

How can you trust this article? clearly by the above mentioned sentence, taken word for word out of the article you showed, this is not biblical in the slightest. we read in the scriptures that there will be false teachers and prophets who look to undermine us and discredit the true word of God. i'd say the book of enoch has done a pretty good job of that. Also, so what if i'm young, the bible says " Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity." i am strictly trying to prove that the book of enoch is a false book, against all that God says. if it is a true book of the Bible, why is it not included in literally every printed bible today?

the article claims that it was written by "hellenistic jews" hmmm... where have i heard that before? oh yeah! its one of the evil characters in redemption! how can a book that is written by what actual biblical writers call heretics, ever be trustworthy?
Now, i could go on and on, but i would really like to discuss this with better evidence on your side, because that link is a bunch of letters that someone threw up. like, its painful to read

find a better article please.

Daniel · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2016, 02:55:35 PM »

No. The book itself is dated as far as 300 BC. Not the character of Enoch.

How is the statement about Enoch receiving supernatural revelation anti-bible? This is similar to the character of John.

Also, I believe I never made the claim the book of Enoch belonged in the bible. It should be respected as a historical document reflecting the beliefs of the time, not as scripture.

Lastly, Redemption is Christian oriented and thus has leaned towards an antisemetic view of Jews.

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