Author Topic: New Set Brainstorming (Read 35537 times)

Master KChief · « **Reply #25 on:** April 28, 2012, 03:57:16 PM »

Quote from: Chris on April 28, 2012, 03:42:01 PM

Romans are pretty well-established to be a bad match with Disciples. Romans Destroy Jerusalem and Crown of Thorns both rip apart the opposite alignment, and they're pretty strong for their respective themes. I'd be surprised if the new Romans were introduced with the intention of having synergy between Disciples/Gardensciples/TGT and Romans.

Since when have starter deck offense and defense themes intended to have synergy with each other?

Chris · « **Reply #26 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:02:58 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on April 28, 2012, 03:57:16 PM

Quote from: Chris on April 28, 2012, 03:42:01 PM
Romans are pretty well-established to be a bad match with Disciples. Romans Destroy Jerusalem and Crown of Thorns both rip apart the opposite alignment, and they're pretty strong for their respective themes. I'd be surprised if the new Romans were introduced with the intention of having synergy between Disciples/Gardensciples/TGT and Romans.

Since when have starter deck offense and defense themes intended to have synergy with each other?

I think it matters when discussing well-established themes that simply do not go together. I think to try to establish synergy either requires romans to get a protect fort that protects them from all decrease (among other things), and it still would essentially make RDJ unusable when using a NT offense. That said, I've never seen the planning stages of a starter before, since I joined the summer after G&H was released.

Master KChief · « **Reply #27 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:08:01 PM »

The starter decks are meant to oppose each other. So if Romans do handily smash Disciples, then it will actually more than likely be paired with whatever offense is in the other starter deck.

Other than that, there is virtually zero synergy between a starters offense and defense. Purple and White NT certainly doesn't pair with Egyptians and whatever brown mess that was before.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #28 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:08:28 PM »

If you look back to G/H, the defense of each deck is thematically opposed to the offense of the other deck. So you had deacons, disciples and good early church people duking it out with demons, Herods, and bad early Church people; and you had Moses, Aaron, and the exiles from Egypt battling with Pharaoh, his army, and Israelite malcontents.

The new starter deck will follow that pattern fairly well.

EDIT: Instaposted by MKC.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #29 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:08:42 PM »

I think you guys are forgeting that starter decks play against each other. Which means why wouldn't we see Romans in one deck and Diciples in the other. That way they harm each other, like they do already.

(haha instapostd)

browarod · « **Reply #30 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:22:23 PM »

So, if one of the defenses is Romans, does that basically confirm the opposed offense will be Disciples? I don't really know who else dealt with Romans (other than maybe NT white, which I guess could be what the white offense is, though I don't think they need any help).

Chris · « **Reply #31 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:25:52 PM »

Quote from: browarod on April 28, 2012, 04:22:23 PM

So, if one of the defenses is Romans, does that basically confirm the opposed offense will be Disciples? I don't really know who else dealt with Romans (other than maybe NT white, which I guess could be what the white offense is, though I don't think they need any help).

There's not much Disciples can get other than Peter and Andrew, and maybe Hero Judas (we won't even go there), so it's unlikely to be that. Maybe a broader "TGT" or just "NT" alignment to oppose Romans?

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #32 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:26:15 PM »

Two suspicions:

Deck 1: Disciples/Syrians
New Son of God
Peter (Red/Purple)
Andrew (Red/Purple)
John the Revalator (Purple/Green)
Not sure what NT hero we need here, Claudia would be great but she'd likely be tan going forward. Maybe Phillip's Daugters but white is in the 2nd deck. Maybe more centurions (Cornelius?)
Artifact to benefit Centurions
Artifact to benefit Syrians

Defense: Syrians

Deck 2:
Solomon's Temple and Musicians
New Glory of the Lord
Artifact to benefit Demons
Artifact to benefit Musicians

Defense: Revelation Demons
Abaddon
Locust from the Pit
Death and Hades
Beast from the Earth
Beast from the Sea

if the gray is Romans then Demons become OT reprints (Witch of Endor, Workers with Familiar Spirits, Wizards, Lying Spirit, Prince of Greece, Prince of Tyrus,)

Chris · « **Reply #33 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:36:41 PM »

We won't have a Glory of the Lord reprint and a Son of God reprint, unless Gabe didn't phrase his post properly.

browarod · « **Reply #34 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:39:23 PM »

I really hope Musicians are in there and get a big boost. It would be awesome to have them be at least somewhat competitive.

megamanlan · « **Reply #35 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:42:43 PM »

I'd only support a Revelation Demons theme if they'd make them competent and make the Horsemen (and seperate Death and Hades)
I personally hate Cards that are several people in card like Noah's Sons or Death and Hades.
I'd love to see some more OT Demons too.

But I'm not too sure that they would put Disciples in again, because of how much was given to them already.
But if they do make a Judas Hero, it would probably be Judas son of James. (Remember, there are 2 Judas's)

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #36 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:49:35 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on April 28, 2012, 04:42:43 PM

I'd only support a Revelation Demons theme if they'd make them competent and make the Horsemen (and seperate Death and Hades)
I personally hate Cards that are several people in card like Noah's Sons or Death and Hades.
I'd love to see some more OT Demons too.

But I'm not too sure that they would put Disciples in again, because of how much was given to them already.
But if they do make a Judas Hero, it would probably be Judas son of James. (Remember, there are 2 Judas's)

Judas brother of James = Jude brother of James = Thad, brother of James the less

And Judas the brother of James,.... Of that James, that was the son of Alphaeus; though the Syriac and Arabic versions call him "the son of James", very wrongly: this Judas was also called Thaddaeus and Lebbaeus, and is the writer of the epistle that bears his name:

megamanlan · « **Reply #37 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:56:23 PM »

Actually, the spot where it mentions Judas 'son of James' also mentions Thaddeus.

I'd love to see some really cool effects in the new set, maybe even some dual-brigade cards!
I kinda want see a version of John that works more for Revelation (and is half Green) maybe give him something that works with Angels.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #38 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:57:12 PM »

I'd love to see Romans and Magicians

If Prince of Tyrus gets a reprint I hope he is orange/black

Jmbeers · « **Reply #39 on:** April 28, 2012, 04:59:04 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on April 28, 2012, 04:56:23 PM

Actually, the spot where it mentions Judas 'son of James' also mentions Thaddeus.

I'd love to see some really cool effects in the new set, maybe even some dual-brigade cards!
I kinda want see a version of John that works more for Revelation (and is half Green) maybe give him something that works with Angels.

Last thing we need is a Gaden Tomb charcter that has big banding chains and acess to Hidden Treasures

Scoobug · « **Reply #40 on:** April 28, 2012, 05:07:31 PM »

*Garden Tomb

megamanlan · « **Reply #41 on:** April 28, 2012, 05:20:18 PM »

The point is to make a John that doesn't work well w/ TGT. (Maybe like Negate Ignore Abilities) but at any point have it that the new John doesn't benefit TGT.

Chris · « **Reply #42 on:** April 28, 2012, 05:27:40 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on April 28, 2012, 05:20:18 PM

The point is to make a John that doesn't work well w/ TGT. (Maybe like Negate Ignore Abilities) but at any point have it that the new John doesn't benefit TGT.

Uh, no. You make a John that doesn't work with TGT, and nobody will use it unless it's ridiculously overpowered otherwise. I support a green/purple John, just make it negate play abilities or something so it can't work with Hidden Treasures.

megamanlan · « **Reply #43 on:** April 28, 2012, 05:29:52 PM »

I'm saying make one for a Revelation theme that would not have room for TGT nor make it worth a person's while to run TGT w/ that John (not that the other one isn't already OP w/ TGT)

Professoralstad · « **Reply #44 on:** April 28, 2012, 08:30:12 PM »

Reading speculation is fun.

Redoubter · « **Reply #45 on:** April 28, 2012, 08:34:58 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on April 28, 2012, 08:30:12 PM

Reading speculation is fun.

I imagine it is. You know what I've heard is even more fun? Ending speculation with truth

I hear it's a blast!

Drrek · « **Reply #46 on:** April 28, 2012, 08:47:44 PM »

Quote from: Redoubter on April 28, 2012, 08:34:58 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on April 28, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
Reading speculation is fun.

I imagine it is. You know what I've heard is even more fun? Ending speculation with truth I hear it's a blast!

No, no, what's even MORE fun is to give the truth slowly to one person at a time (obviously starting with me), so that others can join in on the fun of watching the speculation.

Bryon · « **Reply #47 on:** April 28, 2012, 08:55:10 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on April 28, 2012, 08:47:44 PM

Quote from: Redoubter on April 28, 2012, 08:34:58 PM
Quote from: Professoralstad on April 28, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
Reading speculation is fun.

I imagine it is. You know what I've heard is even more fun? Ending speculation with truth I hear it's a blast!

No, no, what's even MORE fun is to give the truth slowly to one person at a time (obviously starting with me), so that others can join in on the fun of watching the speculation.

No, no, what's even MORE fun is to give the truth VERY slowly - like one letter a day, gradually revealing all the card titles.

Here are the letters for last week, this week, next week, and the next 11 weeks:

L
o
s
t

S
o
u
l

(repeat the above 13 times)

jbeers285 · « **Reply #48 on:** April 28, 2012, 09:18:01 PM »

r there dates for when these will come out

Redoubter · « **Reply #49 on:** April 28, 2012, 09:25:22 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on April 28, 2012, 09:18:01 PM

r there dates for when these will come out

August 9th through the 11th would be my guess. Just a TOTAL stab in the dark of course

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