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With the way it works atm WCFBTNB wins. 3 turns with a huge band, and they can't draw 3 turns yet you can use I am healing?

I'm not really interested in making set-asides faster.  They are primarily used in speed decks, which don't need to get faster.  Outside of that, they are used to gain abilities that would be too powerful to get too quickly (Witnesses to Creation says hi).

I appreciate the creativity, but maybe you could try to think of another new ability

I'm not really interested in making set-asides faster.  They are primarily used in speed decks, which don't need to get faster.  Outside of that, they are used to gain abilities that would be too powerful to get too quickly (Witnesses to Creation says hi).

Well it would help cards like Witnesses but I would view that as a good thing.  I almost never see anyone use cards like that because you'll either time out or lose before that card ever comes back to help.  It seems like realizing those were so slow no one played with them, they made the new ones be 1 turn but those are really too fast.  I would love to see some more really great set-aside abilities but to balance them they need to take longer and this would help them still be potentially playable. 

The speed deck set-asides are mostly 1 turn so I'm not sure this would affect those very much.  I think you could actually use this against them.  They set-aside with Pentecost, etc. during their discard phase and have 8 cards in their hand.  When Pentecost activates they draw 3 cards but may not play any cards and have to discard down to 8 again during their discard phase.  It seems to me that would be a balance to the situation.  Other options would be to stop the drawing by protecting? all draw piles from drawing so you skip past their set-asides.  Or you could not prevent the drawing of cards and then during the 3 turns all players would draw 9
cards and have to discard back down to 8.  That would work well with the new good gold theme of making your opponent deck out but that seems potentially too strong so I'd be careful of that option. 

That was actually my first thought but I just really liked all the other potential uses.  It would combo nice with cards like the evil gold one that gets placed in opponents territory and I think this could help poison and disease defenses be much better. 

I'm hoping you understand my concept here.  Is there any way I could word it better so it would not be confusing?

Even better idea, just make the ability simply repeat the upkeep phase X times before continuing to the prep phase?

That would be pretty nasty with strong angel and gathering. He comes really quick makes some pretty powerful FBtN rescues

I agree.  People may not play Witnesses of Creation much because it takes so long, but plenty of people still play Gathering of Angels even though that takes 4 turns.  Do we want them to get it to work in 2 turns?  For that matter, do we want people playing Witnesses of Creation at all?  I mean really, more pre-block ignore?

As for the other things that would happen with this type effect, I wouldn't mind more fortresses/sites getting destroyed with Set Fire, but I'm not sure that I want even more deck destruction with Pagan Sacrifices.

Cannot be Blocked by = Repel = Ignore.

I dont think it would be counted as an ignore. Ergo the Prevent Ignore lost soul wouldnt touch it. i think