Author Topic: Neutral Character Class (Read 8499 times)

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #25 on:** August 28, 2011, 01:42:25 PM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on August 28, 2011, 09:06:34 AM

Merchant affects (ALL) drawing abilities, not just your own.

With merchant you can control when drawing is doubled but you then suffer a drawing penalty that your opponent doesn't.

If merchant helped a block and your opponent played reach of desperation they would be allowed to draw 6.

Mayhem would make both players draw 12.

My comments on Merchant were in response to Polarius' version of the card.

czepp · « **Reply #26 on:** August 28, 2011, 05:03:02 PM »

I like this Jerome! It helps everyone!

OpenFaceBreadSandwich · « **Reply #27 on:** August 28, 2011, 08:22:03 PM »

Aw, man. I was the first one to think of this idea...

I first thought of it when I was trying to think of an Idea for a Coliseum Lions character (that couldn't block without another EC in battle) Then I thought that it would be nice to make others that would be able to work with both heroes and ECs, like the new Leviathan I'm working on.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #28 on:** August 28, 2011, 08:29:00 PM »

I actually think a lot of people have thought of stuff like this before.

OpenFaceBreadSandwich · « **Reply #29 on:** August 28, 2011, 09:31:11 PM »

Yeah, I meant "first one to post this idea"

lightningninja · « **Reply #30 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:30:07 PM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on August 28, 2011, 01:32:20 PM

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This card is way too good I think. Love the others though. Super awesome.

OpenFaceBreadSandwich · « **Reply #31 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:31:52 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 28, 2011, 11:04:53 AM

But you can skip the draw phase with Merchant. Every turn. Then drop a Death of Unrighteous and wait until your opponent has nothing left.

What would DoU do? Do you mean Sin in the Camp?

lightningninja · « **Reply #32 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:35:45 PM »

No, he meant DOU. Shuffle all your ls, then make it so that you can't draw cards. You've locked your opponent out of getting any ls, unless they can generate one via Harvest Time, Hopper ls, etc.

OpenFaceBreadSandwich · « **Reply #33 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:40:42 PM »

Duh, thanks.
The mind's not been workin' that good lately

SitC wouldn't be that bad of an idea though...

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #34 on:** August 28, 2011, 11:37:02 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on August 28, 2011, 10:35:45 PM

No, he meant DOU. Shuffle all your ls, then make it so that you can't draw cards. You've locked your opponent out of getting any ls, unless they can generate one via Harvest Time, Hopper ls, etc.

Nazareth takes care of HT. Hopper isn't even in a lot of decks now.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #35 on:** August 28, 2011, 11:47:01 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on August 28, 2011, 10:30:07 PM

Quote from: Jmbeers on August 28, 2011, 01:32:20 PM
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This card is way too good I think. Love the others though. Super awesome.

I don't know, there are several giants in different brigades and a wepon dosen't need to be held by a warrior to be in battle.

What if it said an enhancement with a wepon depicted? (but I think it is unnecessary)

lightningninja · « **Reply #36 on:** August 28, 2011, 11:52:29 PM »

Depicted would be better. And yes there are giants... but when's the last time you saw a good player with Lahmi or Ishbibenob or Saph in their deck? Never, that's when.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #37 on:** August 29, 2011, 10:37:11 AM »

Well, it's true you're not drawing any LS's, but you're not drawing anything else, either. When your opponent gets Hopper, Revealer, King Amazing+Jehoash, Hosea, Canaan, etc. then he will probably win it easily since he's been drawing every turn while you've been intentionally skipping your draw phase.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #38 on:** August 29, 2011, 01:45:58 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 29, 2011, 10:37:11 AM

Well, it's true you're not drawing any LS's, but you're not drawing anything else, either. When your opponent gets Hopper, Revealer, King Amazing+Jehoash, Hosea, Canaan, etc. then he will probably win it easily since he's been drawing every turn while you've been intentionally skipping your draw phase.

Obviously, your deck would be designed to counter these. Blue Tassels and Jerusalem Tower would kill everything but the Hopper. In T2, it's even easier.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #39 on:** August 29, 2011, 04:29:11 PM »

FbtN LS counters the Hopper.

Wait...

WesterForever · « **Reply #40 on:** August 29, 2011, 05:08:43 PM »

i'm really liking this idea, JMBeers. Keep up the good work. Love the card art too.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #41 on:** August 29, 2011, 05:36:57 PM »

You're also assuming you can keep Merchants alive indefinitely. Without the ability to play Enhancements, he is quite vulnerable sitting in the field of battle.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #42 on:** August 29, 2011, 10:27:33 PM »

I also think (to make the characters more “targetable”) in battle the neutral character can be targeted as good or evil for the battle based on where they are in the field.

Say Merchant is assisting Belshazzar and he plays Belshazzar’s Banquet, both Belshazzar AND Merchant would be discarded.
All neutral characters would be considered neutral in anywhere except the field of battle.

So if a neutral character was assisting a block the neutral character could be converted and would no longer be assisting the evil character but after the battle they would return to their territory as a neutral character, not a Hero.

OpenFaceBreadSandwich · « **Reply #43 on:** August 31, 2011, 07:09:07 PM »

What would that mean spiritually then?

lightningninja · « **Reply #44 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:07:35 PM »

Quote from: OpenFaceBreadSandwich on August 31, 2011, 07:09:07 PM

What would that mean spiritually then?

That they are using objects that have no souls? I don't see any kind of Biblical conflict with these cards.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #45 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:38:44 PM »

Even the merchant dosen't have a soul in the sense that you don't have to be a Christian to buy and sell goods, but if you are a Christian you are allowed to buy and sell goods as well.

OpenFaceBreadSandwich · « **Reply #46 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:47:17 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on August 31, 2011, 10:07:35 PM

Quote from: OpenFaceBreadSandwich on August 31, 2011, 07:09:07 PM
What would that mean spiritually then?
That they are using objects that have no souls? I don't see any kind of Biblical conflict with these cards.

I wasn't saying that there was biblical conflict I was just saying, if Paul converts the merchant who on his very next turn chooses to try and thwart Paul again, that's kinda wierd...

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #47 on:** September 01, 2011, 12:59:50 PM »

I agree with neutral characters being targetable as good/evil each battle, but disagree with them returning to neutral if converted. I think if they are converted to a hero/EC in battle, they should lose their neutrality and any other properties that apply.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #48 on:** September 01, 2011, 03:55:06 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on September 01, 2011, 12:59:50 PM

I agree with neutral characters being targetable as good/evil each battle, but disagree with them returning to neutral if converted. I think if they are converted to a hero/EC in battle, they should lose their neutrality and any other properties that apply.

Hearing that makes the neutral cards sound like an actual card class.

I support this ruling definition.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #49 on:** September 02, 2011, 01:31:54 AM »

My horse is definitely more Christian than your horse.

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Author Topic: Neutral Character Class (Read 8499 times)

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