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Some more cards, all N.T. themed!

-Side note- When looking through my remaining cards I hadn't posted yet, I noticed a bunch of them could fit together, so I made a few more cards recently to fill out a tin's worth of cards (with a twist). So, that'll come a couple weeks after this, and then I'll leave you be.

Lost Soul (Salvation)

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Quarreling

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Heavenly Realm

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The Darkness

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High Priest Caiaphas

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I like these overall! Just some nitpicking below.

For Heavenly Realm, I'm not sure the Son of God instead would ever actually work since the fortress ability defaults to play and SoG is never in play (unless it's on your Lost Soul, but the Soul inherently protects SoG anyway).

For Made Clean, the "once per turn" is redundant with "on activation" as artifacts only activate once per turn.

I love the idea of The Darkness but I'm not really sure why anyone would willingly put a character in there if it meant their opponent would have access to block with it. Unless I'm missing something?

Oh man, i love these cards! my favorite is definitely that sadducee. #makesadduceesplayable
 
does sog follow the salvation soul if it is discarded/under or topdecked? also, why is Jesus keeping a soul from being rescued  

Thanks much! I don't think Caiaphas alone would be enough to make Sadducees a formidable defense, but I do think it would be a start.

I believe if you were to bury/shuffle the soul with SoG on it, it would follow the soul, yes. Don't know why you would do that though.

Don't think of it as Jesus preventing the soul from being rescued, think of it as Jesus ministering to the soul until he's called to reach out to another.

I like these overall! Just some nitpicking below.

For Heavenly Realm, I'm not sure the Son of God instead would ever actually work since the fortress ability defaults to play and SoG is never in play (unless it's on your Lost Soul, but the Soul inherently protects SoG anyway).

For Made Clean, the "once per turn" is redundant with "on activation" as artifacts only activate once per turn.

I love the idea of The Darkness but I'm not really sure why anyone would willingly put a character in there if it meant their opponent would have access to block with it. Unless I'm missing something?

I made Realm with the assumption that angels discarded by Gates from deck go to Chamber o' Angels (which this card is clearly meant to replace). I'm fairly certain that's how it was a couple years ago. Would that not be the case?

The Darkness is basically a battle extender, like Wyatt said. As for why anyone can use any character from it, that's the big risk for such a powerful ability. Also it was designed with multiplayer formats in mind. Potentially 4 characters to look at? What if your opponent put something worthless in there, just so you'd waste your card that you threw out (assuming you don't have a character you want to use)? It's all about the mind games.

Playing to battle was the only way I could think of making it so it could affect all players. I don't really know how often those remove all cards in battle cards are played in multiplayer.

Pretty cool concepts.  But what's up with this Banish word?  This game does NOT need another word that requires an extensive definition and discussion! 

It's like people don't read anymore...

Quote from: mr_awesome on December 05, 2016, 10:02:27 AM

what does Banish mean again???

It's going to be the new name for remove from the game.

Quote from: Kevinthedude on November 29, 2016, 05:43:36 PM

...and remove from the game is now called Banish.

Technically that hasn't happened...yet.

And that's just really sad.

Saves oodles of space for other cool things when designing cards.

I don't see what's wrong with just leaving the wording as "remove from the game" for simplicity and clarity's sake for new and returning players other than using one word instead of four to describe the same thing, which is probably the reason (or one of the reasons) why it's being changed.

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As Browa and Pol said, it's not a radical change at all, and saves space more than anything. The same thing happened not too long ago when "place under deck" was replaced with "underdeck". I just can't understand how making "remove from the game" one word would result in anything for the game other than coming closer to achieving the definitions I've conveniently posted.

Sure there will be an adjustment period but "banish means remove from the game" is one of the simpler things to explain in Redemption.

I'm not seeing how it wouldn't be as simple as this ^^. Immune now equals protect, and that seems harder to explain than this change would be.

Quote from: Browa on February 22, 2017, 04:31:43 PM

For Heavenly Realm, I'm not sure the Son of God instead would ever actually work since the fortress ability defaults to play and SoG is never in play (unless it's on your Lost Soul, but the Soul inherently protects SoG anyway).

Instead abilities (such as Dust and Ashes, Chamber of Angels, and Rain Becomes Dust) work on cards that are out of play because they target abilities, not cards.  I believe Heavenly Realm would work the same.

Thanks, I had forgotten about that oddity of instead.

The issue that I see with Heavenly Realm is that besides that it defaults to play, but its kinda just a weaker Chamber. Chamber basically guarantees you'll see the Angel when it goes on top, Realm doesn't. That and I feel that it should have some kind of protection at least to compensate. Although I wouldn't bother trying to replace Chamber, I'd just use it to give Angels other support like a way to Protect Chamber or just Angels in general.

The others I kinda like though.

Chamber of Angels doesn't protect your Son of God from Confusion, High Priest's Plot, Desecrate the Temple, Gibeonite Curse, etc. 

Quote from: megamanlan on February 28, 2017, 01:32:00 PM

How that's worded, it wouldn't anyway. Chamber last I checked defaults to play because if an Angel is Discarded from Hand/Deck/Chamber it goes to Discard. (At least that's the wording that I've known) and as such SoG is equally vulnerable in the Deck.

It's like people don't read anymore...

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Quote from: Browa on February 22, 2017, 04:31:43 PM

For Heavenly Realm, I'm not sure the Son of God instead would ever actually work since the fortress ability defaults to play and SoG is never in play (unless it's on your Lost Soul, but the Soul inherently protects SoG anyway).

Instead abilities (such as Dust and Ashes, Chamber of Angels, and Rain Becomes Dust) work on cards that are out of play because they target abilities, not cards.  I believe Heavenly Realm would work the same.

And that's just really sad.



To answer your original comment, I really don't see a reason to play Chamber right now unless you're playing Gates o' Hell. Chamber's instead isn't optional, so it basically tacks on a CBI to every evil discard ability. That's pretty bad. Angels need no protection, as they already have Wheel for dominants and are untargetable by most capture abilities as-is.

Um, I play angels and unless the rule recently changed, the Instead doesn't kick in until the effect resolves. Chamber never made any Discard's CBI that I've ever known of because Chamber has been ruled that its a Continuous effect, i.e. it's always resolving.

Also, ruling stated that Chamber can't use its effect on Angels in Chamber, so they will die.

Quote from: Master Q on February 28, 2017, 01:42:22 PM

To answer your original comment, I really don't see a reason to play Chamber right now unless you're playing Gates o' Hell. Chamber's instead isn't optional, so it basically tacks on a CBI to every evil discard ability. That's pretty bad. Angels need no protection, as they already have Wheel for dominants and are untargetable by most capture abilities as-is.

The current definition of Special Initiative I believe would allow an interrupt or negate to be played before Chamber's "instead" ability kicks in. 

Quote from: megamanlan on February 28, 2017, 04:30:33 PM

Also, ruling stated that Chamber can't use its effect on Angels in Chamber, so they will die.

Can you provide a link for this?  Chamber works on Angels that are discarded from hand (I Am Holy) or deck (Gates of Hell), so I think it would work for angels discarded in set-aside, including those in Chamber.

It is a ruling from years ago, so it may no longer be accurate, but it could also have to do with some weird ruling about not being able to replace an angel in it that's already there... Im forgetting honestly and probably would just be easier if you can instead Angels in it.