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Title: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: kariusvega on March 25, 2016, 10:19:01 AM
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Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: The Guardian on March 25, 2016, 10:47:53 AM
Someone's making cards for a certain deck he likes to play... ::)


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Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: Legolas on March 25, 2016, 11:11:49 AM
:) i think there does need to be a lucifer, because he is very crucial to the bible story, although I'm surprised that Karius didn't make him corinth :) with an ability of i don't know, searching for sowing bountifully or something :D
awesome art though
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 25, 2016, 11:27:32 AM
I don't think he should be playable as an angel for the whole game. Perhaps:

"The first time you play Lucifer, he enters play as an angel. At the end of your turn, convert Lucifer to a demon for the rest of the game."
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: Legolas on March 25, 2016, 11:33:29 AM
is there a way that could represent pride is why he starts as an angel and then turns to a demon because pride was why he rebelled against God, so maybe we could represent that... i don't know how though
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: Gabe on March 25, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
He shouldn't be able to rescue as a Hero. At no point did he do anything that would constitute saving a LS.
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: Legolas on March 25, 2016, 01:39:02 PM
that is true
maybe you could have a territorial class ability on the hero side
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: jesse on March 25, 2016, 01:39:41 PM
Yes, and his fall was before humanity's fall in Genesis 3 so when he was still a good angel was before humans needed saving!
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: kariusvega on March 25, 2016, 02:39:38 PM
He is the angel of music, and could play protection of angels which kind of relates to Job 1. Job 1:6 was the original verse I thought of using for his card.

He can be targeted by Music Leader in deck or dc pile, go to Tartaros as a demon and come back as a hero/go to Chamber and come back as a demon, which is sick.

As a demon he can play Sinning Hand to represent the temptation of original sin in the Garden of Eden, and that temptation which continues to this day.

"6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”

So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”

9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”

12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.”

So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord."


I think that Job 1 is a pretty good reminder to us as Christians that all of God's creation works toward His glory and ultimate purpose. This is why Lucifer can be played as a hero or demon, to rescue or block. Sinning Hand works great thematically as an ability here because with Dust and Ashes Job cannot be removed from the game.

Anyway just an idea! I know it's controversial, but that makes it an even cooler concept as a card and for discussion! Situationally versatile, as to not be overpowered, but potentially a very strong card in the right circumstances!
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: Gabe on March 25, 2016, 03:00:14 PM
I think that Job 1 is a pretty good reminder to us as Christians that all of God's creation works toward His glory and ultimate purpose. This is why Lucifer can be played as a hero or demon, to rescue or block.

That's a slippery slope to go down. Using that logic we will no longer need to print Heroes or Evil Characters... just dual affiliation characters that you can play as either one! ::)
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: kariusvega on March 25, 2016, 03:13:41 PM
i do really like that about abijam though
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 25, 2016, 03:23:43 PM
You mean like [EDITED BY ROSES] and [EDITED BY ROSES]?
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: Nameless on March 25, 2016, 03:41:36 PM
You could make him start as a angel, convert to a demon and then be discarded when [EDITED BY ROSES], I mean Son of God is played.
Title: Re: Lucifer [Angel & Demon]
Post by: kariusvega on March 25, 2016, 04:03:51 PM
can i get that plugin? ::) lol :angel:
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