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Offline Josh

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Lost Soul
« on: January 27, 2017, 09:01:11 AM »
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Since Josh has rendered Naz useless and Captured Ark has no legitimate counters, Mayhem will always be broken, and there is basically no reason not to use Confusion in every deck...

Lost Soul
"Protect each player's hand, deck, and territory from their opponents' Shuffle and Search abilities.  Cannot be negated."
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2017, 02:04:35 PM »
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This is basically crowds would need dc protect too I think
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2017, 02:15:22 PM »
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Quote from: kariusvega on January 27, 2017, 02:04:35 PM
This is basically crowds would need dc protect too I think

It's not Crowds, because its protection doesn't turn off and it can't be negated. 

Since the ability is more durable, the protection needs to be toned down (compared to Crowds).
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2017, 03:14:37 PM »
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i would play crowds over this without the dc protect

maybe if the new paul is reprinted, it's ot, and i'm soul shuffling 

seems like it would be kind of redundant with crowds too. i feel like this is the more the job of hsr, self control, good heroes, etc.

hsr soul can't "search my hand" hahahaha :laugh:

it's not a bad idea though. i see what you're saying. the only problem is that it is still a counter to something that can't be countered.
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2017, 03:19:34 PM »
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I think I would play this over Crowds in certain decks, and perhaps even in addition to Crowds (like in T2 multi-player).
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2017, 03:51:46 PM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on January 27, 2017, 03:19:34 PM
I think I would play this over Crowds in certain decks, and perhaps even in addition to Crowds (like in T2 multi-player).
ANB Reset would be sad to see this card made for sure
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2017, 03:52:43 PM »
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add 'may toss characters in battle'
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2017, 04:27:31 PM »
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Everyone else in this thread is tripping, this card is way better than crowds, can go in the same deck as crowds anyway, and would go a massive way to correcting the centralized defensive meta.
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2017, 08:47:04 PM »
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I like this soul and hope that there will be more cbn, cbp, and cbi souls like this one available in the future.
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2017, 08:58:00 PM »
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I think they've not made any LS cbn purposely, as a sort of balancing thing, but that's just my thought. I'm no playtezter.

That aside, this is way too good. There's no downside to using this. There's a clause on the Crowds LS for a reason (and a downside also). This has none, so any speed deck could run this and laugh at Mayhem or Confusion equally with the balanced decks.

Quote from: jmhartz on January 27, 2017, 09:01:11 AM
Since Josh has rendered Naz useless and Captured Ark has no legitimate counters, Mayhem will always be broken, and there is basically no reason not to use Confusion in every deck...

Hopefully something will be done about a couple of these concerns by next set.
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2017, 07:18:51 AM »
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Quote from: Master Q on January 27, 2017, 08:58:00 PM
That aside, this is way too good. There's no downside to using this. There's a clause on the Crowds LS for a reason (and a downside also). This has none, so any speed deck could run this and laugh at Mayhem or Confusion equally with the balanced decks.

There's 3 LS that this is already true of:  FBTN, CBP, and Liner.  Basically, this will be true of any LS that is CBN.  But any LS that is not CBN is susceptible to FBTN/Moses.  Eventually some LS need to be printed that can't be negated.

And speed decks already run Confusion/Liner and laugh at the opposing deck.  This will continue until Liner is banned, T1 uses Rescuer's Choice, or cards like this are printed.
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2017, 09:24:31 AM »
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I honestly would love to see rescuers choice in t1
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2017, 12:03:15 PM »
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You can play rescuer's choice if both players agree I believe
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2017, 12:35:25 PM »
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Quote from: kariusvega on January 28, 2017, 09:24:31 AM
I honestly would love to see rescuers choice in t1

Jacob's Ladder, Pharaoh's Cupbearer and Abe's Army to pick your LS all day long.
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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2017, 01:27:20 PM »
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Quote from: Gabe on January 29, 2017, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: kariusvega on January 28, 2017, 09:24:31 AM
I honestly would love to see rescuers choice in t1

Jacob's Ladder, Pharaoh's Cupbearer and Abe's Army to pick your LS all day long.

Cards I totally play!! Lol especially got room for those in t1

I can just imagine ASA smashing my ladder(surivovr in play already captured) getting the play off of horses since I'm not playing roa Samuel either confusion son of god ??

Man I almost feel bad for the t1 meta if I was playing another t1 tournament before the new set xD

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Re: Lost Soul
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2017, 05:24:11 PM »
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Quote from: Master Q on January 27, 2017, 08:58:00 PM
That aside, this is way too good. There's no downside to using this. There's a clause on the Crowds LS for a reason (and a downside also). This has none, so any speed deck could run this and laugh at Mayhem or Confusion equally with the balanced decks.

I was thinking about this, and updated the ability so that it's not one-dimensional protection.  Now the speed player can't abuse this LS.
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