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Notice the identifier.

Legion has an identifier that works outside of the game (alters the deck building rules). I see no reason why this wouldn't work.

Drawing is seriously running rampant in this game. Also, this is not like Rain Becomes Dust where the drawn cards are discarded. You get to keep the ones you draw, but you waste just as many. It simply makes you think twice before drawing.

So yeah, it's supposed to be crazy strong. However, it does nothing by itself, it's purely a reactive card. The opponent can counter it by simply... not drawing.

If everyone at a Multi table would play this it would totally change Multi and make it a more viable game

Couldn't you just say "they must discard top card"? Or do they get to choose which card to discard?

I like the idea of letting the person drawing which cards are discarded.

Like on a D3 instead Reveal 6 and opponent chooses 3 to keep an 3 to discard

SA

When opponent uses and draw ability, instead reveal twice the number of cards drawn. Opponent must choose half of the cards to be discarded and the add the rest to hand.

"they must discard another card"

Couldn't you just say "they must discard top card"? Or do they get to choose which card to discard?

It is supposed to be the top card. I could change the wording there.

I also think Regardless of Protection is unnecessary. Nazzy wouldn't stop it, and Jerusalem Tower seeing play again would be a good thing.

Drawing needs to be slowed down and I didn't want passive abilities to stop this card. Also, as I said above, the destructiveness of this card is directly related to how much they draw. Think twice before you go to draw extra cards.

Also, this card might cause John Promos to see play. 

I like the idea of letting the person drawing which cards are discarded.

Like on a D3 instead Reveal 6 and opponent chooses 3 to keep an 3 to discard

SA

When opponent uses and draw ability, instead reveal twice the number of cards drawn. Opponent must choose half of the cards to be discarded and the add the rest to hand.

No, I want there to be an uncertainty about what will be discarded. Otherwise they'll just pick the cards they need. As it's worded, they have a 50/50 chance to draw that they need, and a 50/50 chance to discard it.

They have to decide if that's a risk they want to take.

Also, top decking it seems a bit OP. There are plenty of ways to search for Evil Dominants. And by plenty I mean 3. Still.

If you're going to counter speed, you CANNOT rely on drawing a card, because then it just turns into a speed vs speed situation.

I think as is, is OP.
allowing them to choose reduces its OPness while still being able to decimate a deck

Or else aids in them getting SoG quicker near the end of the game.

I think as is, is OP.
allowing them to choose reduces its OPness while still being able to decimate a deck

It's ENTIRELY reactive. It does nothing if they don't use drawing abilities, and this card targets nothing but drawing.

The opponent gets to decide how much of their deck is destroyed by this card.

This card, however, because you are guaranteed to get it right away, would be a staple in every deck, since there is pretty much never a reason not to include it.

I see this as a good thing. Drawing is WAY too prevalent in this game. Once people begin using less drawing, this card becomes less of a staple, and then things balance out.

Love this card! I want it!!!!

This, this, this.  This card is so OP as written that it would have to go in every deck, because your 7th dom has no hope of being that powerful.

So all we'll get is pushing everyone to play Prophets.  The amount of ways to get rid of it there (Baptism of Jesus, Forest Fire, Razor, Seraph with Live Coal, Nathan, etc.), plus the fact that it relies on searches (which are getting worse than draw in overuse) and very little draw (just Isaiah) all adds up to it being the perfect counter.  And if everyone is using one card they always get out, you'll want to use the best counter.  And the best counter is being unaffected but still being able to destroy if desired.

Ooooorrrrr..... We'll push everyone to stop putting so much drawing in their decks.

This card cannot win battles directly. It does nothing to cards in play. I'm not seeing how it is so OP. Do players really have to rely on drawing THAT much?

Also, let's get back to the OP and the fact that the identifier is not a good precedent to set IMO 

This is a special case. As I said before, if you want to counter drawing right now, you need to hope you draw your counter before they draw their entire deck. This bypasses that.

I like it, I have been wanting a hard counter to speed for a while.  Drawing and searching/exchange are IMO the two of the biggest flaws in the game right now, drawing being the worst.  This could go a long way to stopping that, we should put it in the new starters.
 

Huge decks could also abuse this card as is pretty easily.

It's literally impossible for a purely reactive card to be OP

So you disagree that card games can have the Cobra Effect, but it can and does happen all the time in every card game in existence (look no further than the progression of abilities in Redemption).  The premise that a 'reactive' card cannot be itself OP is very much incorrect.  OP is based on what the card can do.

And I love how everyone just accepts an assumption like speed's power as fact    It is most important to T1MP, and people seem to dislike that category (judging from Nats participation and comments here).  Searching is just as (if not more) powerful, and we had many cards out there to 'fix' the most egregious affront to the game that is searching (i.e. AuTO).  Now we're back to speed, and just speed.  Wonder when it'll shift back

EDIT: Noticed that the new version has removed "regardless of protection".  That makes it significantly less OP, which is good (unless that was just missed in the redo).

Love the card now. I'm still iffy about the identifier, but as long as it's the only one ever made, I won't cry about it.

It'd also make the Tin I lost soul potentially see a LOT more play.

Keep in mind, it now says "Place in a territory", so you can put it in your own territory if you wish. The owner gets to make that decision, as it can change how long the card stays in play.

EDIT: Noticed that the new version has removed "regardless of protection".  That makes it significantly less OP, which is good (unless that was just missed in the redo).

Oops, yeah I did forget that, but I may leave it as is for now.