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Honestly I think the deck out rule is easily over come.

Play any 2 Multi color magicians (to avoid AotL) and invoking terror and place your own hero beneath deck and bingo you can rescue attempt

I know this card has been left alone for a little while, but I thought of something I wanted to remark on...  The big problem with this card will be 154 card decks, like Gates of Samaria decks.  If a 154 card deck can guarantee that this card is top-decked, I think that would be bad for the game.  I love that it is a counter to speed that has actual punch (since it guarantees to be drawn in time to matter), but I'm scared of what the unintended consequences of it might be.

If people start playing 154 carders in T1 for this card, that would be a more than welcome change.

I don't think 154s necessarily time out every game. Few people (Prof A and The Hobbit are the exceptions) have tried to pilot a 154 that functions like a 56, and instead focus on long running strategies like GoS or A-Bomb, and are primarily centered around the defense.

I have a 154 that I'm testing on RTS, and it's done really well, generally finishing around an hour. I need to test it IRL still, but I'm hoping it will work.

The "but what about 154 card decks?" argument doesn't really work. After a few rounds, all the 154 card decks will have ties and timeout wins (and even losses since that's 154 cards to draw wrong with) keeping them out of contention.

Not only that, but the 154 card decks that are successful are the ones that use gobs and gobs of drawing anyway. They are very susceptible to bad draws (i.e. 4 Samarias and 4 enhancements on the first turn--against a meta where everyone uses at least 2-4 Green Heroes) so often the only way to combat that is Lavers/AutOs/drawing enhancements/etc. in triplicate. Now the cost of discarding an equal number of cards might seem less potent with a 154 card deck, but when there are certain cards that those types of deck absolutely need (Gates of Samaria, etc.) risking discarding that many cards can still be dangerous.

I'd bet this card would deter 154 card decks more than anything; I know I would never build a 154 card deck with it.