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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => New Card Ideas => Topic started by: BubbleBoy on February 21, 2011, 06:45:17 PM
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Joseph
2/2 Green/Blue Hero
Patriarch, Son of Jacob, Prophet, Holds Coat of Many Colors as a Weapon
“Protect humans in territories from effect. Characters cannot be ignored. You may play a good enhancement based on prophesy. If you do, place Joseph in opponent's Land of Bondage after battle. Cannot be interrupted.”
Genesis 37:3
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Seven layers of OP. It's like an OP onion. I like the concept, though, and having a Blue/Green Genesis Prophet would be sick. Take some guns away from Joseph, he'd still be OP with no SA and Coat on him.
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Yeah, I know he's pretty OP right now. I just put a smattering of abilities on him because I didn't know what to take off. Maybe just, "Protect humans in territories from effect," is all Joe needs to make him not OP as a multicolor prophet with partial CBN, but I liked all of his other abilities for biblical accuracy reasons and didn't know what to change. I'll take a shot though.
EDIT: Probably still OP, but I'm not sure exactly what all enhancements are based on prophecy.
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Still on the side of OP since he can play twice in any brigade if he's got his coat, but better.
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It's like an OP onion.
So Joesph is an ogre by math?
A=B
B=C
A=C
Ogres = Onions
Onions = Joseph
Ogres = Joseph?
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by the transitive property of equality, ogres = Joseph
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This thread is full of typos, you spelled "Broseph" wrong... please fix.
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by the transitive property of equality, ogres = Joseph
Isn't that what he said?
Ogres = Joseph?
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We watched Shrek in Sociology. Well worth the $500 + $120 for books.
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I would ask... but I better not.
Wouldnt it be better to make Joesph more based on what happened after Egypt? Just as suggestion.
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Wouldnt it be better to make Joesph more based on what happened after Egypt? Just as suggestion.
That's not what he's best known for.
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It would be interesting anyway. Maybe there should be something that links him w/ storehouse.
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That would actually be a good idea!
He could use enhancements from storehouse like they were from hand or something.
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I originally had him interact with Goshen, but his ability just can't be that long.
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I would try something like this:
Joseph/6/7/Blue/WC/
Search Deck for Storehouse. When this Card enters Battle, May play a Good Enhancement in Storehouse. Genesis Heroes cannot be Ignored or Converted. Convert a Genesis Egyptian to a Blue Brigade Hero.
Then remake Coat of many Colors as Weapon Class and also make a Genesis Pharaoh
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In case this isn't already apparent, the purpose of Joseph's first two abilities are more to prevent OP play-before-block combos than to make him more powerful, so I'm not going to take those off unless I take off all other play abilities and his Greenness, the latter of which I simply will not do and the former of which I would be hesitant about because I think it's Biblically accurate, fun, and balanced as is.
As for Warrior-Class, I'm pretty sure Joe did not fight an earthly battle, and Coat of Many colors was neither a weapon nor worn by anyone but Joseph as far as the Bible says, so that doesn't make much sense to me.
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Well, WC doesn't always mean that the Character fought in a Eartly Battle, because that wouldn't explain why Levi is a WC then. The other option is to have Coat have the effect that Joeseph can hold it like a weapon. I don't get what is wrong it's effect anyway
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Well, WC doesn't always mean that the Character fought in a Eartly Battle, because that wouldn't explain why Levi is a WC then.
Read Genesis 34 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+34&version=NIV) to see why Levi is WC. Simeon should be too. Either that of neither of them should.
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Well, WC doesn't always mean that the Character fought in a Eartly Battle, because that wouldn't explain why Levi is a WC then.
Read Genesis 34 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+34&version=NIV) to see why Levi is WC. Simeon should be too. Either that of neither of them should.
Notable ruling from the T2 sealed event: Shechem DID NOT fight in an earthly battle.
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Notable ruling from the T2 sealed event: Shechem DID NOT fight in an earthly battle.
+1, that battle was pretty one sided! :)
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Yeah, saying Shechem fought in an earthly battle is like saying the French fought in WWII...
Zing.
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i think it should be a
4/7
white/blue hero
because then he couldn't play Joe Before Pharoah. I think all the sons of Jacob (including Jacob) are blue. I personally don't think Green would fit with Joeseph.
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How else would Joseph fit into the Green Prophet birgade?
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because then he couldn't play Joe Before Pharoah. I think all the sons of Jacob (including Jacob) are blue. I personally don't think Green would fit with Joeseph.
The easiest solution to this is to reprint Joseph Before Pharoah as blue. The Genesis theme has made it pretty clear that all genesis characters will be reprinted as blue. Also, Joseph was a prophet, probably one of the most well known ones due to his dreams, so green is a perfect fit for him. As for the numbers, a previous article said that all the Patriarchs (sons of Jacob) were going to get numbers reflecting their birth order. So 2/2 makes sense, since Joseph was the second-to-last son of Jacob and Benjamin (the youngest son) is 1/1.
Personally I'd make him...
Joseph
2/2 Green/Blue Hero
Patriarch, Son of Jacob, Prophet
“You may exchange a multicolor enhancement in your hand with an enhancement based on prophecy in draw or discard pile. If a good genesis fortress is not in play negate play abilities. Protect Genesis cards in territories from harm. Cannot be Negated.”
That way it gives his Coat a better use - recurring the right Prophecy (or dream) you want and holding onto it. He can't play first unless a good Genesis fort, like Storehouse or Goshen, is in play, and he has no way to get them out on his own (like how everything he did prospered, but only if someone /else/ put him into power). He also protects his family from harm, regardless of whether they're yours and with him (in egypt) or your opponent's and far away from him (in canaan).
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Joseph
2/2 Green/Blue Hero
Patriarch, Son of Jacob, Prophet
“You may exchange a multicolor enhancement in your hand with an enhancement based on prophecy in draw or discard pile. If a good genesis fortress is not in play negate play abilities. Protect Genesis cards in territories from harm. Cannot be Negated.”
I like this way better than my old idea.
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You know, in the Bible, even though he's famous for wearing the coat, he actually didn't own it for all that long before his brothers betrayal, so I think it would be better if Jo-Jo didn't have the ability to retain his coat. But he should be Green/Blue and probably 2/2.
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I'd play the second Joseph in my Genesis deck.
@Red Dragon Thorn Actually the Bible says he didn't take it off until his brothers took it so he should be able to retain it.
But I would suggest reprinting the coat to make it a bit better and Territory Class