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*by my count - Jonah, Ninevites, Fish, and Worm. Let me know if I missed any.

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New terminology found here, we think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the definition (Work in progress but mostly figured out) just in case:

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Keyword:  Advantage

Format of keyword: "Attribute" Advantage / "Location" Advantage

Definition:  For "Attribute" Advantage, the player who controls the highest number of cards with the chosen "attribute" has Advantage. Because this looks at cards you own and control, cards in set-aside areas are included. For "Location" Advantage, the player who owns and controls the highest number of cards in that location has Advantage.

Additional notes:

• In the event of a tie, no player has the advantage.
• Lost Souls and Redeemed Souls are excluded from all "advantage" definitions, except for the specific cases of "Lost Soul Advantage" and "Redeemed Soul Advantage".

Example:  "Hand advantage" belongs to the player with the most cards in hand.

Example:  "Character advantage" belongs to the player with the most characters in play and set-aside.

Example:  "Territory advantage" belongs to the player with the most cards in territory (excluding Lost Souls).

Example:  "Redeemed Soul advantage" belongs to the player with the most Redeemed Souls in their LoR.

Special case:  "Board advantage" counts all non-Lost Soul/Redeemed Soul cards in territory, the field of battle, set-aside, and Land of Redemption.

Quote from: Watchman on October 10, 2018, 02:20:38 PM

Quote from: goalieking87 on October 10, 2018, 02:07:56 PM

I’m curious why the other dual alignment animals have two evil brigades on the character side, but The Great Fish doesn’t? It seems like PG/Crimson would make sense in this case in the same way that I am sure Fire Foxes has black due to the relation to Philistines (while not being a Philistine character).

Thoughts?

You’re thinking of Leviathan and Behemoth, both of which are Job evil Characters. Job evil Characters are brown, hence the brown and crimson. Same logic with Firefoxes, as you cited, and Magicians’ Snakes (FoM).

I’d disagree with the PG being added to TGF as he’s not directly associated with Assyria. But I can see your argument for PG being added due to the association with Jonah/Jonah story as the Job animals are associated with Job/book of Job.

Watchman is pretty much spot on. Lions lived in Perisa (brown). Fire Foxes were from Philistia (black). Coliseum Lions were under Roman control (gray). Stubborn Heifer is metephorical of Israelites (brown).

PG isn’t really the “evil Jonah” brigade the way brown is the "evil Job" brigade. It’s just that all the evil Jonah stuff we’ve printed thus far is Assyrian or lived in Assyria (The Worm). The Great Fish didn’t originate in Assyria as wasn’t associated with it in any way. It ended up there by divine direction. If we were to print the sailors from the ship to Tarshish, they probably wouldn’t be PG, they would be whatever brigade is associated with their region, nationality or heritage (I haven't look into it). It doesn’t seem to me like the fish should be pale green either. I'm not totally against the idea. But I think it's quite a stretch for the sake of making a card do what we want (working in tandem with Assyrians) instead of what it should (represent an animal not associated with Assyria).

The "fish" etymology was accepted in 19th and early 20th century scholarship. This led to the association with the "merman" motif in Assyrian and Phoenician art (e.g. Julius Wellhausen, William Robertson Smith),[citation needed] and with the figure of the Babylonian Oannes (Ὡάννης) mentioned by Berossus (3rd century BC).

The first to cast doubt on the "fish" etymology was Schmökel (1928), who suggested that while Dagon was not in origin a "fish god", the association with dâg "fish" among the maritime Canaanites (Phoenicians) would have affected the god's iconography.[9] Fontenrose (1957:278) still suggests that Berossos's Odakon, part man and part fish, was possibly a garbled version of Dagon. Dagon was also equated with Oannes.

The association with dāg/dâg 'fish' is made by 11th-century Jewish Bible commentator Rashi.[10] In the 13th century, David Kimhi interpreted the odd sentence in 1 Samuel 5.2–7 that "only Dagon was left to him" to mean "only the form of a fish was left", adding: "It is said that Dagon, from his navel down, had the form of a fish (whence his name, Dagon), and from his navel up, the form of a man, as it is said, his two hands were cut off." The Septuagint text of 1 Samuel 5.2–7 says that both the hands and the head of the image of Dagon were broken off.[11]

If we were to print the sailors from the ship to Tarshish, they probably wouldn’t be PG, they would be whatever brigade is associated with their region, nationality or heritage (I haven't look into it).

Quote from: Gabe on October 10, 2018, 04:20:51 PM

Lions lived in Perisa (brown). Fire Foxes were from Philistia (black). Coliseum Lions were under Roman control (gray). Stubborn Heifer is metephorical of Israelites (brown).

I see what you did there. Come on, let’s have it. 😉