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Negate targets abilities. So, you can negate protection.

Just using a test deck without an opponent right now, but here are a couple of ideas for feedback so far:

I like the “protect other Phillies” ability paired with Outpost since you have to put them in territory. This gives some decent protection against grail especially where Armorbearer can be targeted before entering battle.

I like the idea of reserve access with Rapha, but don’t think that he will ever really be used for that because of his propensity to be negated.  While I don’t think CBN is the answer because of protection, would there be any issue with rewording it similarly to Gates of Jerusalem where if one of “them” (Philistines in territory) blocks, you get the reserve benefit.

I envision this like what Saul and David might have experienced when fighting the Philistines...they just keep coming. Block/topdeck, block/topdeck. Of course you would only have so many in your reserves anyway and you want to get to your good cards for winning battles, but I could see him getting play just to be able to get backup and some reserve access.

Also, regarding Rapha being able to be negated, there is some benefit to ha I gotta cards on the table that your opponent can and will want to negate, so you can use some of your other cards that they may not be paying as close of attention to.  For instance, you negate Rapha, so you can’t negate Outpost (with that same negate card).

EDIT I would also add that if Rapha remains the only way for Reserve access, he should at least be CBN by evil cards so you can follow up with whatever your opponent is going to play with Bringing Fear and not negate your own ability. I am still advocating for the Gates of Jerusalem type wording though.

Quote from: jmhartz on March 16, 2018, 05:01:36 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit on March 16, 2018, 03:43:41 PM

What elements does a cbn Rapha have that oak, CoL, etc also have?

The common element is that you want to do something about your opponent's Gideon/CoL/Rapha, but you can't, because of CBN protection.  There's literally almost nothing you can do. 

lol yeah you can't use your op cards like grail, aocp, Jephthah etc.  Creating territory protection that can be negated in the days of 3 woes, image of the beast, and burning censor, moses, etc is very mediocre and having him not protect himself would be the softest counter to territory destruction ever, because that very thing that the card is meant to counter, counters it. Play test away, but this is an average card right now that we didn't even vote on.

I couldn't agree more here. Against the match ups where it won't matter, it not being cbn won't hurt. In the match ups where it would matter most, it not being cbn hurts the worst ie against Moses Jephthah Ehud Dagger Edict Gideon Faith of Gideon.. Regardless of whether or not your opponent is playing those cards those cards being jam packed into one theme justifies at very least cbn tc protection on this evil character to be viable at mid to top tiers of competitive play.

Having at least 1 ec that provides some kind of staying power to the most angel vulnerable of themes with unity makes it viable otherwise you are still playing philistines getting wrecked on board before you even block.

Having an add to battle ability along with tc protection gives philistines  a gates of hell like ability which totally legitimizes philistines as a defense.

I have extensively play tested black and philistines for several years (generally finding it sub par, as tournament results prove) and I'm speaking not only from experience but what I would also love to see specifically for the philistine theme.. Having splashed Goliath in nearly everything.

Yours,
-Workhorse