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Vote for a revised special ability for The Watchman

Protect Lost Souls from shuffle. You may exchange this Hero with an O.T. green prophet sharing a name with a biblical book in territory, deck, or discard pile. If it is Ezekiel, reveal a hand.
0 (0%)
Negate evil search abilities. You may exchange this Hero with an O.T. green prophet sharing a name with a biblical book in territory, deck, or discard pile. If it is Ezekiel, reveal a hand.
0 (0%)
Negate evil banish abilities. You may exchange this Hero with an O.T. green prophet sharing a name with a biblical book in territory, deck, or discard pile. If it is Ezekiel, reveal a hand.
0 (0%)
Negate Confusion. Protect Lost Souls from shuffle. You may exchange this Hero with an O.T. green prophet sharing a name with a biblical book in territory, deck, or discard pile.
0 (0%)
Negate Confusion. Protect Lost Souls from shuffle. You may exchange this Hero with an O.T. green prophet whose name is a biblical book in deck, territory, or discard pile: If it’s Ezekiel, draw 2.
2 (6.9%)
Negate Confusion. Protect Lost Souls from shuffle. You may exchange this Hero with an O.T. green prophet in territory, deck, or discard pile. If it is Ezekiel, reveal a hand.
1 (3.4%)
Negate evil search abilities. Protect Lost Souls from shuffle. You may exchange this Hero with an O.T. green prophet in territory, deck, or discard pile. If it is Ezekiel, reveal a hand.
0 (0%)
Negate evil banish abilities. Protect Lost Souls from shuffle. You may exchange this Hero with an O.T. green prophet in territory, deck, or discard pile. If it is Ezekiel, reveal a hand.
1 (3.4%)
Negate evil search and shuffle abilities. You may exchange this Hero with an O.T. green prophet whose name is a biblical book in deck, territory, or discard pile. If it’s Ezekiel, you may reveal a hand.
1 (3.4%)
Negate evil search and shuffle abilities. You may exchange this Hero with a Major or Minor prophet in deck, territory, or discard pile. If it’s Ezekiel, you may reveal a hand or draw 2.
24 (82.8%)

Total Members Voted: 27

Voting closed: December 01, 2016, 10:30:12 AM

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Offline The Guardian

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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2016, 01:37:33 PM »
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Quote from: Red Wing on November 23, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
I don't see why we need to muddy the waters by creating yet another definition for players to memorize.

We're not creating a definition...the definition is already there. We would simply be adding it to our game so that The Watchman works with the exact set of Heroes we want him to work with.  8)
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2016, 02:36:52 PM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on November 23, 2016, 12:05:14 PM
What if instead of "biblical book" stipulation we defined the list of Major and Minor prophets and used that as the criteria?

"Exchange this Hero with a Major or Minor prophet in deck, territory or discard pile."

From Wikipedia--

Major Prophets:
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Daniel
Ezekiel

Minor Prophets:
Hosea
Amos
Micah
Joel
Obadiah
Jonah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi

This is exactly what I was thinking, but wasn't sure if people would get it. So what if it was:

"Negate evil search and shuffle abilities. You may exchange this Hero with a Major or Minor prophet in deck, territory, or discard pile. If it’s Ezekiel, you may reveal a hand or draw 2."

That makes it a lot shorter, and allows for the option of drawing or revealing. The prophets don't even have to be green! :o Everyone should be happy with that?
« Last Edit: November 23, 2016, 02:45:28 PM by Master Q »
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2016, 03:07:31 PM »
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The prophets don't even have to be green!

That was a sneaky thing I thought of too...purple Ezekiel anyone?  8)
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2016, 05:21:39 PM »
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Quote from: Master Q on November 23, 2016, 02:36:52 PM

"Negate evil search and shuffle abilities. You may exchange this Hero with a Major or Minor prophet in deck, territory, or discard pile. If it’s Ezekiel, you may reveal a hand or draw 2."
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100% would vote for this to be the card. it enables what everyone wants The Watchman to enable without giving too much gas to everything outside of it which is already epic
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2016, 06:47:02 PM »
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Quote from: kariusvega on November 23, 2016, 05:21:39 PM
Quote from: Master Q on November 23, 2016, 02:36:52 PM

"Negate evil search and shuffle abilities. You may exchange this Hero with a Major or Minor prophet in deck, territory, or discard pile. If it’s Ezekiel, you may reveal a hand or draw 2."
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100% would vote for this to be the card. it enables what everyone wants The Watchman to enable without giving too much gas to everything outside of it which is already epic

I would as well. I think the current voting is skewed because only one option has the draw 2 on it and so everyone who wants that single aspect of the card has to ignore all the other parts such as who it swaps for and what it negates.
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2016, 09:38:07 PM »
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2016, 08:37:06 AM »
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I like how that SA works, as well.
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2016, 10:32:06 AM »
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Based on the comments above I've added Q's suggestion. Voting has been reset and will run until December 1st.
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2016, 11:21:47 AM »
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Thanks Gabe! 

I really feel this is the best option to expand the number of viable decks.
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« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2016, 01:52:35 PM »
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I agree this is the best version yet of the special ability for the game and thematically
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2016, 08:57:40 AM »
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Maybe if you exchange with a major prophet Draw 2 if you exchange with a minor prophet Draw 1 :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2016, 09:15:16 AM »
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I wasn't satisfied with the options until Master Q's option was added. Looks like mostly everyone was in the same boat :) Can't wait to see the card!
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2016, 12:10:35 PM »
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Something I just thought of: This may sound crazy, but hear me out on this. What if, instead of 1/12 stats, he was made 1/16?

The reason for this would be mostly symbolic, as he is literally 1 of the 16 prophets he switches for. I think that would be pretty sweet. 8)

For gameplay purposes, we know high defense on a low strength Hero is not game-breaking (see Thankful Leper), especially in a brigade with close to zero straight CBN battlewinners with almost no access to toss. For what I can tell, all this would do is make him nearly impervious to toss battles and first strike (the latter of these makes absolute sense for a watchman). He will likely not stay in battle anyway, so it will hardly matter most of the time unless something like 'invert' makes an appearance, which would be cool.

I know all about the stat cap of 12, but I think an exception could be made here, this one time. I definitely don't think the cap should be exceeded in the future, except in very rare instances where the result would be perfect and non game-breaking. This is one of those instances for me, unless someone can think of some good reason against it.

In any case, the level of cooperation and bouncing around ideas on these cards has been fantastic, and you'll hear no complaints from me. :)
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2016, 01:10:00 PM »
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Another idea along those same lines...

4/12

4 major prophets
12 minor prophets

That would be thematic as well as accomplishing the points that Master Q raised while staying in our preferred stat range.  8)
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2016, 06:29:54 PM »
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What about X/12 where X is the number of your green prophets?
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Re: The Watchman SA Vote - Player Created Card Part IX
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2016, 07:29:47 AM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on November 30, 2016, 01:10:00 PM
Another idea along those same lines...

4/12

4 major prophets
12 minor prophets

That would be thematic as well as accomplishing the points that Master Q raised while staying in our preferred stat range.  8)

Quote from: Kevinthedude on November 30, 2016, 06:29:54 PM
What about X/12 where X is the number of your green prophets?

I like both of these suggestions! but still happy with 1/12
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