Author Topic: Ideas from the Fall (Read 3793 times)

Professoralstad · « **on:** February 19, 2010, 11:27:07 AM »

Adam

8/4 Blue Hero

"Negate all artifacts except Curses and Covenants. May band to Eve."

Eve

7/3 Blue Hero

"If Adam is in play, search deck for an OT human and place in hand."

The Serpent

2/3 Crimson/Orange EC
-Animal-
"Holder may place an Evil Enhancement from hand or territory on a human hero in play. All Lost Souls are protected from rescue while that enhancement remains and that hero is in battle. Enhancement's ability has no effect while it remains."

Garden Cherubim

6/8 Silver Hero WC

"Holder may discard an evil enhancement placed on a hero to shuffle that hero into deck. Search deck for a silver enhancement with "interrupt" or "negate" in the special ability and place in hand.

Curse of the Ground

2/4 Crimson Curse

"All players must play with their hands revealed while this card is active. If used as an Artifact, this may be used for two rounds."

Garden of Eden

Silver Site

"All Lost Souls held here are protected from rescue by heroes with evil cards placed on them."

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2010, 11:58:58 AM »

I like most of these ideas, but I must ask, why did you give Adam and artifact-negating ability? And Eve is pretty much just a better version of Leah. I would try abilities like this:

Adam
8/4 Blue Hero
"If you have no other heroes, you may search deck for Eve and put her in play. May band to Eve. Adam and Eve have access to Garden of Eden and are protected from discard abilities unless blocked by The Serpent."

Eve
7/3 Blue Hero
"Adam's ability cannot be interrupted."

Professoralstad · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2010, 01:58:55 PM »

I gave Adam his ability because I think a hero like that would be awesome. With more and more artifacts coming out and being able to go different places, I think a negate all Artifacts character is needed. And it makes sense, since there wasn't much in the way of human made stuff when Adam was around, so it makes sense that human made things (like most artifacts are) wouldn't work. He doesn't negate Curses since, well that should be obvious, and he doesn't negate Covenants since God made a covenant with him.

As far as Eve goes, I realize that Leah has a similar ability, but since Eve is the mother of all living, I decided she should be able to search for ANY OT human (EC's included).

Your Adam and Eve would be a bit too powerful IMO. 15/7 CBI protection from discard abilities? Yowza.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2010, 03:24:01 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 19, 2010, 01:58:55 PM

I gave Adam his ability because I think a hero like that would be awesome. ... it makes sense that human made things (like most artifacts are) wouldn't work. ...

I agree a character like this would be cool, but I don't think that Adam is the one to have such an ability. Making artifacts not work is definitely not a highlight of Adam's reputation.

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 19, 2010, 01:58:55 PM

As far as Eve goes, I realize that Leah has a similar ability, but since Eve is the mother of all living, I decided she should be able to search for ANY OT human (EC's included).

I see where you're going with this, but the ability is still really OP. Maybe a cost? Women are forced to go through severe pain in childbirth because of Eve, right? Maybe we could work something out with that...

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 19, 2010, 01:58:55 PM

Your Adam and Eve would be a bit too powerful IMO. 15/7 CBI protection from discard abilities? Yowza.

This was mainly meant to combat CM, and I thought it was appropriate since Adam & Eve couldn't die until after the fall. Besides, how many hero-d/c enhancements are there anyway? There are a couple in black, so that might hurt Phillies a little (good thing IMO), and there are a couple not-too-commonly-used crimson ones, and that's about it. Also, almost everyone uses Confusion of Mind. However, maybe the CBI is too much.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2010, 04:42:31 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 19, 2010, 03:24:01 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 19, 2010, 01:58:55 PM
I gave Adam his ability because I think a hero like that would be awesome. ... it makes sense that human made things (like most artifacts are) wouldn't work. ...
I agree a character like this would be cool, but I don't think that Adam is the one to have such an ability. Making artifacts not work is definitely not a highlight of Adam's reputation.

It's not that he made them not work. It's that "artifacts" wouldn't have had any effect on his life.

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 19, 2010, 01:58:55 PM

As far as Eve goes, I realize that Leah has a similar ability, but since Eve is the mother of all living, I decided she should be able to search for ANY OT human (EC's included).

I see where you're going with this, but the ability is still really OP. Maybe a cost? Women are forced to go through severe pain in childbirth because of Eve, right? Maybe we could work something out with that...
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I don't view getting characters out of the draw pile is that OP, and Adam must be in play for it to even work. But I suppose a cost might be warranted. Maybe, "place a Genesis enhancement from hand on the bottom of your deck to...". I don't want the cost to be too big, like discarding anything, as otherwise no one would use it when there are better options.

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 19, 2010, 01:58:55 PM

Your Adam and Eve would be a bit too powerful IMO. 15/7 CBI protection from discard abilities? Yowza.

This was mainly meant to combat CM, and I thought it was appropriate since Adam & Eve couldn't die until after the fall. Besides, how many hero-d/c enhancements are there anyway? There are a couple in black, so that might hurt Phillies a little (good thing IMO), and there are a couple not-too-commonly-used crimson ones, and that's about it. Also, almost everyone uses Confusion of Mind. However, maybe the CBI is too much.
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I suppose that is somewhat true, but I just feel like we should be very selective with future abilities that we make CBI.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2010, 07:54:50 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 19, 2010, 04:42:31 PM

I don't view getting characters out of the draw pile is that OP, and Adam must be in play for it to even work. But I suppose a cost might be warranted. Maybe, "place a Genesis enhancement from hand on the bottom of your deck to...". I don't want the cost to be too big, like discarding anything, as otherwise no one would use it when there are better options.

Ooh, ooh, pick me! How about, "If Adam is in play, you may set Eve aside after battle. After one turn, Eve returns to your territory and you may search deck for an OT human."
This isn't exactly a cost, but it basically delays the search ability, and also simulates the experience of birth (or at least goes about as far as you can in a card game

).

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 19, 2010, 04:42:31 PM

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This was mainly meant to combat CM, and I thought it was appropriate since Adam & Eve couldn't die until after the fall. Besides, how many hero-d/c enhancements are there anyway? There are a couple in black, so that might hurt Phillies a little (good thing IMO), and there are a couple not-too-commonly-used crimson ones, and that's about it. Also, almost everyone uses Confusion of Mind. However, maybe the CBI is too much.
I suppose that is somewhat true, but I just feel like we should be very selective with future abilities that we make CBI.

Well, if we keep Eve with the search ability, then this shouldn't be a problem, right?

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2010, 08:03:25 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 19, 2010, 07:54:50 PM

"If Adam is in play, you may set Eve aside after battle. After one turn, Eve returns to your territory and you may search deck for an OT human."

I actually like that type of idea a lot. It sets you up for the next turn.

*EDIT*

Another card idea from this section of the bible:

The Garden of Eden - Silver site - Protect all lost souls in this site from being rescued by humans.

... although thinking about it, a garden of eden card makes no sense, because everyone got kicked out... so how could there be a lost soul in there to begin with?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2010, 09:36:22 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on February 19, 2010, 08:03:25 PM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 19, 2010, 07:54:50 PM
"If Adam is in play, you may set Eve aside after battle. After one turn, Eve returns to your territory and you may search deck for an OT human."

I actually like that type of idea a lot. It sets you up for the next turn.

*EDIT*

Another card idea from this section of the bible:

The Garden of Eden - Silver site - Protect all lost souls in this site from being rescued by humans.

... although thinking about it, a garden of eden card makes no sense, because everyone got kicked out... so how could there be a lost soul in there to begin with?

How does goliath fight peter?

Isildur · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2010, 09:48:58 PM »

I really like the ability on that Adam. Post people try to make some crazy ability but that one is nice and simple. The other cards imo are just meh... Cept maybe curse of the ground :p It would be cool if you made that into a fort or something instead.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2010, 12:37:19 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on February 19, 2010, 08:03:25 PM

Another card idea from this section of the bible:
The Garden of Eden - Silver site - Protect all lost souls in this site from being rescued by humans.

I hope you're not serious with that ability. Everyone and his aunt would use it.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2010, 01:01:46 AM »

well aside from the card not making sense to begin with, how could a human access anything inside the garden of eden?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2010, 01:06:31 AM »

That's the point, after the fall, they couldn't get back into the garden. Still, I agree, it's insanely OP'D. I like the thought process though.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2010, 01:08:15 AM »

Maybe to make it a little less OP'd...

"Protect lost souls in this site from all human heroes except those with a genesis reference."

Its hard to come up with a fitting ability that isnt OP'd.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2010, 01:16:06 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on February 20, 2010, 01:08:15 AM

Maybe to make it a little less OP'd...

"Protect lost souls in this site from all human heroes except those with a genesis reference."

Its hard to come up with a fitting ability that isnt OP'd.

No, that is still OP'd. It forces everything but angels and genesis to be useless. All ya gotta do is kill their sog, place a ls in there and BAM. Sog nj burial = 4 ls max.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2010, 10:29:55 AM »

Unless someone uses N.T. female angels, then you pretty much cant soul-lock them out.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2010, 10:37:21 AM »

How about this, from my first post?

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 19, 2010, 11:27:07 AM

Garden of Eden

Silver Site

"All Lost Souls held here are protected from rescue by heroes with evil cards placed on them."

People who have sinned (represented by having evil cards placed on them) can't access the Garden of Eden. That way it complements a strategy, but not everyone would use it, and it's biblically accurate.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2010, 11:36:51 AM »

I like the Professor's version best.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2010, 12:34:44 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 20, 2010, 10:37:21 AM

How about this, from my first post?

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 19, 2010, 11:27:07 AM

Garden of Eden

Silver Site

"All Lost Souls held here are protected from rescue by heroes with evil cards placed on them."

People who have sinned (represented by having evil cards placed on them) can't access the Garden of Eden. That way it complements a strategy, but not everyone would use it, and it's biblically accurate.

That version makes biblical sense, is a good idea, AND most of all, is unique. We can't have that

Professoralstad · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2010, 01:03:12 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 20, 2010, 12:34:44 PM

That version makes biblical sense, is a good idea, AND most of all, is unique. We can't have that

Oh shoot, you're right, I forgot. Here, how about this one?

The Garden of Eden

Silver Site

Evil Cards here are protected from Dragon Raid.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2010, 01:07:14 PM »

lightningninja · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2010, 05:16:44 PM »

Well played.

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