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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2012, 06:42:36 PM »
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Yep, Joe doesn't have enough fun stuff to play pre-battle. Anyone who does... Doesn't get to enjoy HT unless its just prophets...

RTC (CBN), Creation of the World and OoN aren't enough?  ::)
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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2012, 06:45:06 PM »
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Many decks can find ways around RTC and CoTW is okay, but gives easy win for Goliath too. What's OoN?
They seem pretty lame as fighters maybe we should challenge them to a dance off or a redemption game

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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2012, 07:15:37 PM »
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Many decks can find ways around RTC and CoTW is okay, but gives easy win for Goliath too. What's OoN?

Obedience of Noah, it's a choose the rescuer.

The thing about Joseph is that any blue card he can play prebattle Jacob could play prebattle several years ago and any card green card any green prophet could play with HT.
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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2012, 07:17:33 PM »
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joe + spiritual warfare
joe + two bears
Joe + RTC
Joe + Obedience of Noah
Joe + Creation of the World


Plenty of pre-block stuff, and not too over powered where as you start adding in other brigades pre-block (purple especially!) and it gets out of hand

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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2012, 07:32:40 PM »
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Plenty of pre-block stuff, and not too over powered where as you start adding in other brigades pre-block (purple especially!) and it gets out of hand
So Paul + HT is OP?

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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2012, 11:13:51 PM »
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There was also some kind of combo with Aaron I think that allowed him to play any enhancement off HT.
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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2012, 11:19:28 PM »
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There was also some kind of combo with Aaron I think that allowed him to play any enhancement off HT.

It was only OT cards (if I'm remembering the combo correctly) it was using a temple with Table of Showbread (I think that is the one) to hold an OT enhancement and let a priest play it regardless of brigade.
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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2012, 04:08:12 AM »
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Plenty of pre-block stuff, and not too over powered where as you start adding in other brigades pre-block (purple especially!) and it gets out of hand
So Paul + HT is OP?

Paul isn't very easy to get out and it takes even longer to get him and HT out together. Plenty of time for Opponent to win the game.

As to the Genesis theme, it's like what Selfevident said, they had Jacob long ago so it's not like most Blue cards where made to be OP when used Pre-block. And even with Joe being able to use green, not all of their Enhancements are that great either for Pre-block beyond Warfare, Search and a handful of others. Most are better for in Battle uses.
The only thing I'd hate to see is Gardensciples get the ability to play Two Bears as well. Can anyone else think of another way to make TGT more effective that easily?
They seem pretty lame as fighters maybe we should challenge them to a dance off or a redemption game

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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2012, 12:14:02 PM »
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Paul is pretty easy to get out (evil character + Grail). The only decks who use him tend to be heroless though, and that makes all sorts of other cards necessary before being able to safely put him down. Few have seriously tried him in a deck.

So what enhancements are so great for Paul to play preblock?

The only thing I'd hate to see is Gardensciples get the ability to play Two Bears as well. Can anyone else think of another way to make TGT more effective that easily?
Simeon (di) can be splashed in pretty easily, it just generally isn't worth it because nobody plays defense (except magicians) anyway.

Oh, and AOCP>Two Bears any day. There's ET for that.

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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2012, 09:51:42 PM »
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But Paul doesn't also have a deck based on giving him a Pre-block ignore. Also, if Paul dies, you aren't getting him back at all. Plus you'd have to wait at least 2 turns to get the 3-card combo just to use HT at very least. Peter would not, he can do it in 1 turn plus he can come back plus he can quickly ignore brigades.

What I am saying is have Characters that are commonly used in the deck (like Peter and John) the ability to shuffle cards to cause TGT to work better then it already does. There's already fairly good argument that it is OP. I'd suggest not making it worse.
They seem pretty lame as fighters maybe we should challenge them to a dance off or a redemption game

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Re: I would like this as a Peter reprint
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2012, 10:45:16 PM »
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But Paul doesn't also have a deck based on giving him a Pre-block ignore. Also, if Paul dies, you aren't getting him back at all. Plus you'd have to wait at least 2 turns to get the 3-card combo just to use HT at very least. Peter would not, he can do it in 1 turn plus he can come back plus he can quickly ignore brigades.

What I am saying is have Characters that are commonly used in the deck (like Peter and John) the ability to shuffle cards to cause TGT to work better then it already does. There's already fairly good argument that it is OP. I'd suggest not making it worse.
Paul is pretty easy to keep alive, and most people don't even run Chariots of Fire in decks that use Peter and John. Brass Serpent is occasionally used, but Herod's Temple is usually enough, which Paul also has access to.

Paul can do it on the first turn. WatW + Meeting the Messiah, Angel of the Lord + Healing of Namaan, you get the point. Obviously this takes more cards, but hey, it's unlikely that preblock anything will be effective right off the bat. You don't even know what they're playing. What do you ignore? What do you shuffle? Nothing. Your opponent doesn't even have a redeemed soul for TGT to work yet.

But enough about Paul. This is about whether a green John/Peter that doesn't negate Hidden Treasures is OP or not, and honestly you've only presented one enhancement that would be easily added in for extra power (because AoCP is already in there preblock and Spiritual Warfare is lulzy in a TGT deck), but I'm still unconvinced Two Bears preblock is OP. The only advantage that it really has over AOCP is that it's harder to protect from in territory, but nobody really uses territory protection {or defense [at least one that can block TGT (looking at you, Magicians)]!} at this point.

Honestly, IMO, TGT doesn't really need help destroying territories. It needs help speeding through it's deck. Green isn't a fast brigade. Disciples are. That's why (most) people use Gardenciples--Fishing Boat, Pentecost, Matthew, and 4 Drachma Coin. Added power isn't necessary. Yes, it can be considered OP because nobody can block TGT. Adding territory destruction power doesn't make it more powerful--it does that just fine on it's own, especially because most defenses don't use territory protection, or simply don't exist (and simply use Uzzah blocks). I suppose HT + AoCP might be used so you can use TGT with the preblock AoCP (unlike ET) but it really isn't a big deal most of the time.

If anything, Peter and John would become uber because of Obediah's Caves, not HT. Caves + Herod's Temple + TGT = an unstoppable force.

 


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