Author Topic: I would like this as a Peter reprint (Read 6335 times)

jbeers285 · « **on:** November 25, 2012, 12:10:05 AM »

Purple/green
10/10
Protect all disciples in territory and set aside while Peter remains in play.
Search deck for Andrew. May band a red brigade disciple. CBN

I meant to have green not white (edited)

Gabe · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:17:01 AM »

It's probably a bit OP to protect all Disciples in play. I suggest just protecting the territory and set-aside from evil cards so they can still be targeted in battle.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #2 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:17:39 AM »

Yeah, there is no way to get rid of him with that protection.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #3 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:20:02 AM »

Uh... no. This would be added to the ban-list almost immediately if not immediately... Gabe's suggestion would be a bit more viable. A hero protecting themselves non-negatably and protecting the hero they band too would be incredibly powerful, especially when the character's 10/10 and could use Hidden Treasures...

jbeers285 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:21:28 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on November 25, 2012, 12:17:01 AM

It's probably a bit OP to protect all Disciples in play. I suggest just protecting the territory and set-aside from evil cards so they can still be targeted in battle.

this was the intended idea just was posting in a rush and overlooked my wording thanks

edited

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #5 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:23:08 AM »

Gabe · « **Reply #6 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:23:59 AM »

What are they protected from?

jbeers285 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:25:40 AM »

lol my bad again i need to slow down and focus a little more tonight lol protected from opponent's cards

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:28:06 AM »

Image updated accordingly.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:32:11 AM »

thanks for the image lambo

Josh · « **Reply #10 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:40:50 AM »

I don't think Peter should band to a Red brigade disciple. Simon the Zealot shouldn't have anyone band to him; Peter should band to only Andrew (who should be reprinted in Purple).

In fact, should Andrew band to Peter? I'm trying to remember what the reasoning was to have certain Disciples as the bander and the other with no banding ability. Perhaps Bryon or another playtester can share some insight on that.

I don't think Peter should search for Andrew; Philip already tutors Bartholomew. And in the tradition of Samuel/Ezekiel/etc., Peter should probably not be able to play Authority of Christ preblock with Hidden Treasures.

My suggestion, based on your original card, and trying to prevent two large CBN bands in the same theme:
"Negate play abilities. Protect Disciples in territory and set-aside from discard while Peter remains in play. May band to Andrew. Cannot be prevented."

jbeers285 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 25, 2012, 12:57:30 AM »

Or the card could say search deck or discard pile for andrew and band him into battle

Protect disciples in set aside and territory while Peter and Andrew remain in play.

CBN

This would stop Peter from playing off of HT in a disciples deck bc you would play Andrew for the protection

Red Warrior · « **Reply #12 on:** November 27, 2012, 04:51:03 PM »

I don't doubt there's game potential here, but what scriptural idea is there behind Peter protecting the disciples? For the myriad things Peter characterizes and has done, I don't see protection as one of them. Here's some ideas from the Bible.

Just a brainstorm session off the top of my head...
(I'm not even pretending this is a complete list)

Jesus' Lifetime
His brother Andrew invited Peter to meet the Messiah
Peter, James, and John were the "inner circle" (With Jesus at the Mount of Transfiguration, Jairius' House, Gethsemane, etc.)
Quick to Speak and Act (i.e. "I believe You are the Christ!", "Surely not Lord!" "Speak Plainly!")
Used to help establish the church ("and the Gates of Hell shall not overcome...")
Denied Christ 3 Times, and was "Reinstated" 3 Times

Early Church
Spoke out boldly at Pentecost
Healed a Lame Man at the Temple
Delivered from Prisons (current ability)
He stood before the Sanhedrin boldly and said "we must obey God, not men"
Confronted Ananias & Sapphira
Healed Aeneas who could not walk, raised Tabitha from the Dead
Was involved as the Holy Spirit and Salvation were extended to the Gentiles (Cornelius' Household)
Wrote I & II Peter (his second letter dealing much with Prophecy)

Ultimately Martyred, as Jesus prophesied "when you are old... you will stretch out your hands"

megamanlan · « **Reply #13 on:** December 01, 2012, 10:16:37 PM »

I agree with Red Warrior, and remember we already have a Character that Protects everything else... And we don't need another Thad...

One suggestion to keep Peter from using AoCP via HT is to have it that he can use Green Enhancements but doesn't have Green Brigade or just Negate Artifacts.

Chris · « **Reply #14 on:** December 01, 2012, 11:07:24 PM »

Frankly, I don't see Peter playing AoCp off of HT as a particularly big deal. ET can do it without HT at all, and the card I would argue is the most common to negate Heroes right now (CwD) would stop Peter anyway. Plus, Paul can do it almost as easily as Peter could do it, using only one extra card, which many Disciples/Gardensciples decks already use (Grail).

megamanlan · « **Reply #15 on:** December 02, 2012, 12:37:17 AM »

Well the problem is that the next John reprint may also be Green, and that would make 2 Disciples able to pull it off Pre-block.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2012, 12:41:21 AM »

Question: Why would peter protect the other disciples? Another disciple was killed while he was in the vicinity.

Chris · « **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2012, 02:12:44 AM »

Quote from: megamanlan on December 02, 2012, 12:37:17 AM

Well the problem is that the next John reprint may also be Green, and that would make 2 Disciples able to pull it off Pre-block.

Again, I don't see much of a problem here. ET and Paul both already do that, and neither one is really too horribly out of place in a Disciples deck. I'm thinking about T2 as well, and I still don't see this as a big deal.

theselfevident · « **Reply #18 on:** December 02, 2012, 08:24:47 AM »

I think the problem is AoCP/spiritual warfare/two bears and various other things preblock that become a bit out-of-hand. No sense in making the disciples any stronger than they are now especially when you consider adding in TGT and the damage they already do and consider Peter and John are part of the TGT dilemma. I disagree strongly.

Another issue is, what's with all the reprints??? Why not make NEW cards that enhance existing cards. (ex. as Angel Under the Oak is to Gideon)...

Gabe · « **Reply #19 on:** December 02, 2012, 08:27:53 AM »

Also, Holy Grail + Proud Pharisee allows for a pre-block AoCp. Still, I doubt we will print a Peter that can abuse Hidden Treasures.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #20 on:** December 02, 2012, 07:00:45 PM »

If we don't want Peter to use Hidden Treasures just don't make him green, just because he is a prophet doesn't mean he has to be green, besides he didn't do all that much prophesying (that is recorded anyway) so why not have him just purple?

Also I like the idea of Peter actually having a play ability attached to him (just make sure it wouldn't include AoCp) Andrew should be the one banding to Peter, since it was usually the less famous disciple of each pair that did the banding (James to John not the other way around) and to combine it with the fact that Andrew brought Peter to Jesus, I think the band should be that way. The thing about Gates of Hell is also an interesting idea, how about something like:

Peter 10/10 Purple
Reveal the bottom card of opponents deck, if it is evil discard it, if it is a lost soul put it in play. After blocker is presented you may play an enhancement with Peter in the title or reference.

This covers the Gates of Hell thing, the impulsiveness and his evangelism.

megamanlan · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2012, 04:19:52 AM »

Quote from: Chris on December 02, 2012, 02:12:44 AM

Quote from: megamanlan on December 02, 2012, 12:37:17 AM
Well the problem is that the next John reprint may also be Green, and that would make 2 Disciples able to pull it off Pre-block.

Again, I don't see much of a problem here. ET and Paul both already do that, and neither one is really too horribly out of place in a Disciples deck. I'm thinking about T2 as well, and I still don't see this as a big deal.

The problem though is that they don't really fit in that well with Disciples, and neither would be able to use the Disciples' other battle winners, both Peter and John can. I agree with not having him half-green since he did so little prophesying at all. John (if he's reprinted at some point) should end up half green though, but with ways to stop him from using HT.

I'm sortof okay with ChristianSoilder's suggestion, because its much more unique for the theme... But Im not sure I'd like that one either too. We also have to remember that TGT gives Peter an ignore ability as well.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #22 on:** December 04, 2012, 03:08:33 PM »

Why does every half-green character have to be stripped of HT?

theselfevident · « **Reply #23 on:** December 04, 2012, 05:22:52 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 04, 2012, 03:08:33 PM

Why does every half-green character have to be stripped of HT?

Joseph

megamanlan · « **Reply #24 on:** December 04, 2012, 06:35:00 PM »

Yep, Joe doesn't have enough fun stuff to play pre-battle. Anyone who does... Doesn't get to enjoy HT unless its just prophets...

EDIT: sorry, accidentally modified your post instead of starting a new one.

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