Author Topic: Hope Winner Card (Read 6749 times)

kariusvega · « **on:** August 08, 2017, 09:46:21 AM »

So I figured it would be cool to share some early concepts with the community to get everyone's feel for the abilities. Minister Polarius came up with some great wording which expands the usability to ot as well without giving them another ctb option, but allowing some great bands to have scattered and banishment protection

He messaged me this:
"Place on your Cloud or N.T. Hero: if N.T. Hero enters battle, you may discard this card to choose an opponent's evil character to block. Protect hero from underdeck and banish."

? Gives the Noah band another option against Scattered and can combine with Faith of Enoch to make a mini-Kony but still only gives the CTB to NT

I did really want some kind of protect on it and I really love how it can help ot here :-) what are your thoughts? Ps the mock ups in the other thread look sweet!!
Hebrews 11:1

Xonathan · « **Reply #1 on:** August 08, 2017, 07:56:09 PM »

What are the brigades again? I love the ability. The added protection is very nice . I would feel better if the card could remove itself from the game afterwards instead of d/c. Just my thoughts. Would it be a cloud card to be recurred with Cloud of witnesses?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #2 on:** August 08, 2017, 08:21:21 PM »

Yup! Chose opponent's blocker isn't so strong as to need to be impossible to recur. If it were just a normal CTB it'd be overpowered anyway.

kariusvega · « **Reply #3 on:** August 08, 2017, 08:23:54 PM »

Quote from: Xonathan on August 08, 2017, 07:56:09 PM

What are the brigades again? I love the ability. The added protection is very nice . I would feel better if the card could remove itself from the game afterwards instead of d/c. Just my thoughts. Would it be a cloud card to be recurred with Cloud of witnesses?

Yes clay green cloud card that can be recurred with cloud of witnesses

Master Q · « **Reply #4 on:** August 08, 2017, 08:45:20 PM »

I'm not sure how the idea of "hope" translates to choosing the blocker, and I really don't want Eternal Inheritance/Christ's Triumph to be easier to pull off (that may just be me). There's almost no point to making it place on a Cloud Hero if you can't use it to choose the blocker on anything but a N.T. Hero, as I wouldn't run it for the protect alone. And if there were no clay cards in the next set, I'd be a happy fellow.

For reference, I made a "Hope" card, from this thread:
http://www.cactusforums.com/new-card-ideas/symbolic-cards-and-2-ls-(dread-schemes)/

Hope

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Whatever you do, I'll be excited to see what you come up with!

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #5 on:** August 08, 2017, 08:58:42 PM »

That's much more powerful for Eternal Inheritance than JD's Hope

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #6 on:** August 08, 2017, 09:26:54 PM »

Thematically, what's cooler in a game called Redemption than using Christ's Triumph to capitalize on your Eternal Inheritance? If it weren't so unhealthy for gameplay purposes I'd be praising Children of Light with a fully-realized Fruit of the Spirit and Armor of God the same way.

megamanlan · « **Reply #7 on:** August 09, 2017, 10:46:25 AM »

The funny thing is that can actually work on my angels and I love it for that.

kariusvega · « **Reply #8 on:** August 09, 2017, 11:18:30 AM »

I do really like the concept Master Q!! I agree Megaman angels do need an itb d3 even though it is sort of cookie cut

megamanlan · « **Reply #9 on:** August 09, 2017, 11:20:10 AM »

Quote from: kariusvega on August 09, 2017, 11:18:30 AM

I do really like the concept Master Q!! I agree Megaman angels do need an itb d3 even though it is sort of cookie cut

I was meaning your card concept. I mean I'm already playing the Martyrs so I have a way to play it.

The Guardian · « **Reply #10 on:** August 09, 2017, 11:21:56 AM »

Angels have a CBN draw 2 Hero and a CBI draw 3 Hero and you think they need the ItB/Draw 3 GE?

Ironisaac · « **Reply #11 on:** August 09, 2017, 11:23:50 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on August 09, 2017, 11:21:56 AM

Angels have a CBN draw 2 Hero and a CBI draw 3 Hero and you think they need the ItB/Draw 3 GE?

Until the out draw Koney, they aren't good enough.

megamanlan · « **Reply #12 on:** August 09, 2017, 11:26:43 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on August 09, 2017, 11:21:56 AM

Angels have a CBN draw 2 Hero and a CBI draw 3 Hero and you think they need the ItB/Draw 3 GE?

Well, you should see the itb/play next's I suggested. I tried to make it not just itb/d3/play but instead a possibility where you may not get anything. It's here if you want to see what I made: http://www.cactusforums.com/new-card-ideas/new-swift-beings-and-other-cards/

kariusvega · « **Reply #13 on:** August 09, 2017, 11:48:18 AM »

I really like Master Q's suggestion being a hero/enh is cool. Feel free to keep them coming I'm totally open to great ideas that you think will make the game more fun

kariusvega · « **Reply #14 on:** August 12, 2017, 09:40:56 PM »

Kind of feeling like maybe the ctb version lacks a lot of flavor for a player created card, especially compared to how strong the others have been.
Here is a new version I came up with after brainstorming with The Guardian, Minister Polarius, and really digging Master Q's version:

Would love to hear your thoughts!

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #15 on:** August 12, 2017, 09:46:13 PM »

Quote from: kariusvega on August 12, 2017, 09:40:56 PM

Kind of feeling like maybe the ctb version lacks a lot of flavor for a player created card, especially compared to how strong the others have been.
Here is a new version I came up with after brainstorming with The Guardian, Minister Polarius, and really digging Master Q's version:

Would love to hear your thoughts!

I love the idea of it being a Hero and symbolic and it is certainly strong, although perhaps too strong. It definitely makes the CoL deck stronger and for that reason I doubt you would be allowed to make it as is.

I do have to hand it to you thematically, it fits the verse very well.

kariusvega · « **Reply #16 on:** August 12, 2017, 09:51:21 PM »

RDT pointed out that the multibrigade enh side would always toss for 9 so prolly needs to only be clay to work as intended

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jbeers285 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2017, 10:35:50 PM »

Is the enhancement in play if it's tossed? I mean RDT is always right but is it in the Reg?

kariusvega · « **Reply #18 on:** August 12, 2017, 10:44:13 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on August 12, 2017, 10:35:50 PM

Is the enhancement in play of it's tossed? I mean RDT is always right but is it in the Reg?

good question that was kind of my thought :p i would think it would be cool if for example Job could toss this for 9 followed by his faith with peace

great way to set up a cbn music leader or put joy on Chenaniah. useful territory protection to thwart hypocrisy mayhem. great initiative hero who i don't think can be fallen away (cow)

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 12, 2017, 10:47:44 PM »

Hope for no battle phase?

kariusvega · « **Reply #20 on:** August 12, 2017, 10:50:08 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on August 12, 2017, 10:47:44 PM

Hope for no battle phase?

outside of negate wars toss battles have been quite epic

especially with the right battle extenders on either side

ps toss is regardless of protection - the reason i love it is because it brings us back to the numbers without fbtn

Josh · « **Reply #21 on:** August 14, 2017, 12:27:59 PM »

This hero tutors/recurs 3 cards each time it hits territory OR battle?

Joy, which is what ultimately provides the "CBN" to CoL's bulletproofiness.

Peace, which is already a broken card, as we discovered in 2014-2015.

Even if this hero wasn't tailor-made to boost Kony, I'd still be strongly against it.

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #22 on:** August 14, 2017, 12:48:42 PM »

Quote from: jmhartz on August 14, 2017, 12:27:59 PM

This hero tutors/recurs 3 cards each time it hits territory OR battle?

Joy, which is what ultimately provides the "CBN" to CoL's bulletproofiness.

Peace, which is already a broken card, as we discovered in 2014-2015.

Even if this hero wasn't tailor-made to boost Kony, I'd still be strongly against it.

Noah · « **Reply #23 on:** August 14, 2017, 05:16:29 PM »

I'd like to submit this as the unofficial Cony/Hope theme song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHqMuo-YgHs

thecoolguy · « **Reply #24 on:** September 08, 2017, 03:08:25 PM »

great for coney

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