Author Topic: Hero Name Voting - Player Created Card Part III (Read 6804 times)

Eragon5 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 01, 2016, 12:14:01 PM »

Quote from: Xonathan on October 01, 2016, 10:37:28 AM

Anyone see a Paul deck at nats? Not me. The current Paul is unreliable. I'd like to see a more usable Paul because so many cards are tied to him. As for other characters, I'd like to see them get reprinted too and they all will someday. If anything TPTB will see what characters we want to see and maybe they will get attention in the next set. Who knows?

I used one and my deck went 4-3. I think I only got one rescue and a block from him, his large numbers make it too easy to get initiative against him.
My argument for Paul would be that he is one of the most compelling characters of the N.T. However, we gave him a card that requires support card just to get him active, and after that he usually just loses to chump blocks or cbn enhancements (assuming coliseum is not in play). As a result I rarely see him played. Then we have cards like Moses (salt alert) that was already a staple card (imo) and then gets buffed by adding two brigades letting him negate lost souls as well and giving him territory class. I think Paul deserves to at least be buffed to being a staple in N.T. themes.
However, we also have lots of good other choices like Esther (God's instrument in saving Israel) and Elisha and Elijah that deserve to get good cards as well.

My logic in this is cards like Paul are less likely to see a reprint because there are cards like Esther, Elisha, and all the other cards on the list that have yet to see a good reprint that the playtesters are probably planning on making at least a small handful of these in the next set.
Just a few of my thoughts, not sure who I'm voting for though.

Daniel · « **Reply #26 on:** October 01, 2016, 12:15:42 PM »

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on October 01, 2016, 09:52:24 AM

Quote from: Daniel on October 01, 2016, 09:36:20 AM
VOTE ESTHER!

Why? You might have missed the "compelling argument" part.

wasn't directed towards you.

Vote for Queen Esther!!

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #27 on:** October 01, 2016, 12:16:03 PM »

The reason I think Paul should be the card is the same reason Moses got a reprint. The old Moses was a good card, and people even played it a lot (Already better off than Paul) but he is such an important and unique character in the Bible while his card was just a another random FTBN dude whose only saving grace was he happened to have a judge identifier. Now we have Paul. He is a super important and unique dude from the Bible, and he has the same problem as old Moses, except worse. He has boring stats and a straightforward ability you can find on half a dozen other Heros. In his case, it's actually worse on him than most others because his large numbers don't give him the chance to play an enhancement and take advantage of his ability like other enhancements-are-cbn characters can. Sure he has rainbow brigade and that's kinda neat, but especially these days when having lots of brigades can be punished quite hard, it really isn't that good. When you think about it, it isn't actually unique either. There a lots of character that have ways to allow themselves to use enhancements of any brigade, and those guys aren't getting played either. On top of all this, a new Paul would give an excellent opportunity to make the Pharisee side of him much more powerful. Before his conversion he did plenty to deserve a better Evil Character side than a vanilla 10/11. The only good argument I can see against making Paul here is that because of the new Paul cards they made recently, the card designers might be planning on making Paul on their own.

That said if I had to pick a second choice it would be Elijah and Elisha, although I think they would definitely need to be made together.

Master Q · « **Reply #28 on:** October 01, 2016, 01:59:13 PM »

I agree with Browa, I think I'd rather see any other Hero get a reprint than Paul. He's already got cards built around his current card. I don't want a Paul that can be laid down immediately as a Hero, like King Saul. For his ability right now, he's already quite strong. CBN enhancements of any color is amazing, and with Coliseum it's even stronger. It's one of those rare cases where the power level of the card is balanced by the fact that it must be converted from a lower-than average EC. And I don't want another Moses-level Hero as of this moment.

For the other Heroes on the voting list, I could see several (Jonah, Elisha & Elijah, Deborah, Adam, Esther, Mary, Jonathan) as easily getting their own cards someday, via a tin or as part of a set (especially Jonah, Esther, Mary, and E & E). There's no question about this.

I would much rather see something like "Redeemer", "The Lord's Servant", "The Watchman", or even a named character like Jabez (not convinced Thief should be a Hero) become a playable card. These cards may not fit as easily as most of the others, and they may never even be made at all, if not for something like this.

kariusvega · « **Reply #29 on:** October 02, 2016, 01:37:11 AM »

Vote for Paul! :-)

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #30 on:** October 02, 2016, 11:29:53 AM »

So isn't the "watchman" Ezekiel?

Ezekiel 33:7 (ESV) "So you, son of man, I have made a watchman for the house of Israel. Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me."

With the use of "son of man," the character could certainly be taken in the direction of prophecy about Jesus. I guess I am just curious what direction this card will go. I don't think that Green O.T. Prophets needs a boost nearly as much as say, White N.T. Women (i.e. Mary, mother of Jesus). The reality is though, as Xonathan put it, we are not fixing every hole there is, we are just making them obvious so that future sets can address them. There is not a much at stake with this one card is all I am getting at. I think that for a character to represent the text above, perhaps "The Watchman" should be "Ezekiel, the Watchman" instead. There are three Ezekiel cards (Teal, Green/Teal, Purple) already and none of them see play to my knowledge. He is a Prophet and Priest which lends itself to some fairly powerful cards already. Giving him a useful ability will make him the fourth Ezekiel card to not see play, but giving him a great ability might mean more Green/Teal decks see play competitively. Just my thoughts.

Oh, I changed my vote to The Watchman...

Aragorn5 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 02, 2016, 12:25:07 PM »

Here is my case for Paul.
First, Paul is one of the greatest biblical heroes in the bible. Also, he represents the salvation story. He was in opposition of the gospel and the transformed by the power of the Spirit. He then became the voice of the gospel. This is just like how we are dead in sin and then transferred from death to life in Christ.
Second, we get to the game aspect. Paul seems like a great hero at face value, but is hard to pull off in a game. Here are some of the problems:
(1) Paul is not a standalone hero. He requires support cards to make him function. This might not be bad if not for the second problem.
(2) Paul is not a top tier hero. Making enhancements CBN might be great if not for his numbers. A 10/10 almost never gets initiative. When cards like SSS, Confusion, and DOtU are some of the top evil enhancements, this make big numbers unattractive. Also, he is multibrigade. Paul would mainly only need clay brigade. This is the brigade all of his support is in. When there are more and more things that punish lots of brigades, this is more of a disbenefit. The fact of the matter is that Paul’s ability is not good enough to make him playable competitively.
I personally would like to see a Moses level of power for N.T. heroes with Paul.
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Aragorn5 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 02, 2016, 12:26:43 PM »

Ignore that Link at the bottom. I am new to the boards and failed at putting in an emoji.
Sorry! (facepalm)

Sadness · « **Reply #33 on:** October 02, 2016, 12:43:03 PM »

Even though I voted for Paul, the others have made compelling arguments against him being selected. However, should he be chosen I'd like to see him as a three color hero. Clay/Purple /Green, these colors (my opinion ),Clay as its the early church colors,purple as he is considered to be part of the remade 12 disciples and green as he was considered a prophet for the Lord or he made prophecies . Too bad we don't have a author card yet

Ironisaac · « **Reply #34 on:** October 02, 2016, 01:02:55 PM »

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on October 02, 2016, 11:29:53 AM

So isn't the "watchman" Ezekiel?

Ezekiel 33:7 (ESV) "So you, son of man, I have made a watchman for the house of Israel. Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me."

With the use of "son of man," the character could certainly be taken in the direction of prophecy about Jesus. I guess I am just curious what direction this card will go. I don't think that Green O.T. Prophets needs a boost nearly as much as say, White N.T. Women (i.e. Mary, mother of Jesus). The reality is though, as Xonathan put it, we are not fixing every hole there is, we are just making them obvious so that future sets can address them. There is not a much at stake with this one card is all I am getting at. I think that for a character to represent the text above, perhaps "The Watchman" should be "Ezekiel, the Watchman" instead. There are three Ezekiel cards (Teal, Green/Teal, Purple) already and none of them see play to my knowledge. He is a Prophet and Priest which lends itself to some fairly powerful cards already. Giving him a useful ability will make him the fourth Ezekiel card to not see play, but giving him a great ability might mean more Green/Teal decks see play competitively. Just my thoughts.

Oh, I changed my vote to The Watchman...

#makeezekielgreatagain

kariusvega · « **Reply #35 on:** October 02, 2016, 02:49:03 PM »

Paul, exactly.. who is the greatest hero in the Bible who sees the least play?

Paul.. He is virtually useless. There is no deck with him in it at the moment seeing competitive play. I saw 1 Saul/Paul in 1 T2 deck this year, which cost him the game because I got multiple D9s off of him and was easily able to remove him from the game after he cost multiple cards to convert and even get in to play.

Case for the Watchman..

We REALLY need more OT Prophets and Judges to see more play lol.. *Cough* Moses. The OT Prophets already have a slew of champions that are truly great and competitive.

Paul should be not only a playable hero but a key component to offenses (as I believe was the original intention behind his current rendition).. He tells the Redemption story! OT and NT prophets alike. Clay Peter is THE ROCK! and in nearly every clay offense for a reason!

Really happy to have this opportunity to vote for a hero this is fun whoever is voted for in the end

emonier · « **Reply #36 on:** October 02, 2016, 03:20:32 PM »

Arguement for Adam: who here has a decent Genisis deck that INCLLUDES Adam in it? If he was buffed then him and Eve may make a legitimate combo used in many decks.

Ironisaac · « **Reply #37 on:** October 04, 2016, 02:22:05 PM »

Huh. It seems we have a tie lol.

Xonathan · « **Reply #38 on:** October 04, 2016, 02:51:49 PM »

Anyone can change their vote last minute

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #39 on:** October 04, 2016, 02:52:22 PM »

Not anymore.

Ironisaac · « **Reply #40 on:** October 04, 2016, 03:02:30 PM »

Voting closed two hours ago.

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #41 on:** October 04, 2016, 03:04:25 PM »

So, would anyone who voted for either "The Watchman" or "Paul" consider changing their vote now if they could? Just curious...

egilkinc · « **Reply #42 on:** October 04, 2016, 04:26:07 PM »

The Winner:
Paul, the Watchman
"Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh."
Philippians 3:2

Xonathan · « **Reply #43 on:** October 04, 2016, 04:29:12 PM »

Quote from: egilkinc on October 04, 2016, 04:26:07 PM

The Winner:
Paul, the Watchman
"Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh."
Philippians 3:2

"Protect Paul from dogs, evil men, and mutilators"

Ironisaac · « **Reply #44 on:** October 04, 2016, 04:35:51 PM »

Quote from: Xonathan on October 04, 2016, 04:29:12 PM

Quote from: egilkinc on October 04, 2016, 04:26:07 PM
The Winner:
Paul, the Watchman
"Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh."
Philippians 3:2

"Protect Paul from dogs, evil men, and mutilators"

Protect Paul from animals and evil male humans. Paul cannot be blocked by mobs or armies.

coknight · « **Reply #45 on:** October 04, 2016, 04:37:14 PM »

so now what? two cards

Ironisaac · « **Reply #46 on:** October 04, 2016, 04:49:35 PM »

Quote from: coknight on October 04, 2016, 04:37:14 PM

so now what? two cards

Tie breaker vote maybe, that's what I want.

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #47 on:** October 04, 2016, 05:21:01 PM »

Gabe said there would be another poll with just the top choices from this one.

coknight · « **Reply #48 on:** October 04, 2016, 05:26:11 PM »

only sixteen votes to break the tie...

Daniel · « **Reply #49 on:** October 04, 2016, 06:00:43 PM »

Vote Paul!

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