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Do you think we could take the top 5 in a couple days and then do a more
Focused revote? I am afraid 6 votes for hero may be enough to get the win while 40 + votes are cast.

Do you think we could take the top 5 in a couple days and then do a more
Focused revote? I am afraid 6 votes for hero may be enough to get the win while 40 + votes are cast.

The poll is set so that people can change their vote. If, for example, you vote for Behemoth (not really a Hero  ) and see that it is not going to win, you can change your vote to Tom, Dik or Harry (the top 3 vote getters) so that you have more of a say in the final outcome.

Yeah, but with no cutoff for the first and second voting phases, there is no real reason the winner of the first...actually, come to think of it, when does voting end?

November 8th at 8 PM.

Behemoth (not really a Hero 

What's not heroic about a creature held up as the pinnacle of strength and God's design? It's put in a positive light all the way through the passage. Are you suggesting it should be an evil character?

All right, here’s my campaign to make Jehu a Hero.

Jehu was anointed by Elijah under God’s directive
1 Kings 19:16-17 “Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet. Jehu will put to death any who escape the sword of Hazael, and Elisha will put to death any who escape the sword of Jehu.

Jehu was given orders by God to carry out judgment on Ahab’s family
2 Kings 9:6-10 “I anoint you king over the LORD’s people Israel. You are to destroy the house of Ahab your master, and I will avenge the blood of my servants the prophets and the blood of all the LORD’s servants shed by Jezebel. The whole house of Ahab will perish. I will cut off from Ahab every last male in Israel—slave or free. I will make the house of Ahab like the house of Jeroboam son of Nebat and like the house of Baasha son of Ahijah. As for Jezebel, dogs will devour her on the plot of ground at Jezreel, and no one will bury her.’”

He carried out those orders fully
2 Kings 9, 10
2 Kings 10:17 “When Jehu came to Samaria, he killed all who were left there of Ahab’s family; he destroyed them, according to the word of the LORD spoken to Elijah.”

He was commended by God for accomplishing what God had directed him to do
2 Kings 10:30 “The LORD said to Jehu, "Because you have done well in accomplishing what is right in my eyes and have done to the house of Ahab all I had in mind to do, your descendants will sit on the throne of Israel to the fourth generation."

He had tremendous zeal for the Lord
2 Kings 10:16 “Jehu said, ‘Come with me and see my zeal for the LORD.’ Then he had him ride along in his chariot.”

He messed up – like every other Hero in the Bible
2 Kings 10:29 “However, he did not turn away from the sins of Jeroboam son of Nebat, which he had caused Israel to commit—the worship of the golden calves at Bethel and Dan.”
And 2 Kings 10:31 “Yet Jehu was not careful to keep the law of the LORD, the God of Israel, with all his heart. He did not turn away from the sins of Jeroboam, which he had caused Israel to commit.”

He gets one more mention in the book of Hosea
Hosea 1:4 “Then the LORD said to Hosea, ‘Call him Jezreel, because I will soon punish the house of Jehu for the massacre at Jezreel, and I will put an end to the kingdom of Israel. In that day I will break Israel’s bow in the Valley of Jezreel.’”
Note that this is not a direct attack on Jehu – only on the house of Jehu – and serves as a warning to Israel. Check out this possible interpretation of the Hosea passage http://christianthinktank.com/qjehu.html

Redemption would do well to acknowledge Jehu as a Hero
How many Bible Heroes get commended by directly by God? The big idea of the story of Jehu is that he was commissioned by God to destroy the evil family of Ahab infesting the land. He victoriously accomplished that (in dramatic fashion), and annihilated the influence of Baal from all of Israel (2 Kings 10:28). Yes, he messed up, but he was much more heroic in this than King Saul, who got both a Hero card and an Evil Character card. At the very least, Jehu deserves the same treatment This would be a great opportunity to make a brand new Hero instead of just another remake.

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Behemoth (not really a Hero 

What's not heroic about a creature held up as the pinnacle of strength and God's design? It's put in a positive light all the way through the passage. Are you suggesting it should be an evil character?

It's because it's an animal. By game rule it can't be a hero. It wouldn't make much sense for an animal to bring a person to know Christ.

Yeah, that probably makes sense ...
How 'bout a neutral creature that can taunt Evil Characters 

  lol yes that would be great! It would work great in job decks!

I'd like to see a Jehu reprint that's a DAC like King Saul.

First post updated so everyone knows when voting closes.

It saddens me that the current front-runner is a character that already has a strong and good Hero card while so many characters that aren't even in the game yet are getting passed over. Such is the nature of popularity contests, but I'd still much prefer to see pretty much anyone else on the list get a card over Paul.

It saddens me that the current front-runner is a character that already has a strong and good Hero card while so many characters that aren't even in the game yet are getting passed over. Such is the nature of popularity contests, but I'd still much prefer to see pretty much anyone else on the list get a card over Paul.

Make a compelling argument for one and I will change my vote.

It saddens me that the current front-runner is a character that already has a strong and good Hero card while so many characters that aren't even in the game yet are getting passed over. Such is the nature of popularity contests, but I'd still much prefer to see pretty much anyone else on the list get a card over Paul.

I agree - I think that if we are making this based on what the game needs most, then Elisha should be the choice. I can't think of a more major Bible character having no special ability at all. I changed my vote to him from Micaiah, who would be awesome but isn't as needed as Elisha. Elisha was a MAJOR prophet, and is referred to on 4 Redemption cards (House of Rimmon, Struck with Blindness, Elijah, and Night Raid).

After Elisha, the greatest-need Heroes in my opinion are Jonah, Adam, Deborah, and Mary.

Quote from: Browa on October 01, 2016, 03:29:25 AM

It saddens me that the current front-runner is a character that already has a strong and good Hero card while so many characters that aren't even in the game yet are getting passed over. Such is the nature of popularity contests, but I'd still much prefer to see pretty much anyone else on the list get a card over Paul.

I agree - I think that if we are making this based on what the game needs most, then Elisha should be the choice. I can't think of a more major Bible character having no special ability at all. I changed my vote to him from Micaiah, who would be awesome but isn't as needed as Elisha. Elisha was a MAJOR prophet, and is referred to on 4 Redemption cards (House of Rimmon, Struck with Blindness, Elijah, and Night Raid).

After Elisha, the greatest-need Heroes in my opinion are Jonah, Adam, Deborah, and Mary.

I don't think it is a good idea to make him on his own. It should be Elijah and Elisha together if they are going to be made. My vote: Watchman!

Although, i wouldn't mind jonah or adam either.