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Title: Heretics *UPDATED*
Post by: Minister Polarius on September 05, 2011, 09:42:24 PM
Credit Eric the Wolfe on the card images.

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fredemptionlive.com%2FEric%2FNicolaitans.jpg&hash=d54b014ad50bd22a36d6c36d316b6cbece284ece)
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fredemptionlive.com%2FEric%2FDesolate%2520City.jpg&hash=e7eabb37e23b83436cdabd635b7896913cf7733d)
(note: supposed to be "when played from hand")
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fredemptionlive.com%2FEric%2FAntichrist.jpg&hash=f3093f247076fc056d31da0c16955c002a67a500)
(note: supposed to be "Human Evil Characters")
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fredemptionlive.com%2FEric%2FJezebel.jpg&hash=ec66476ec14e25913974b9e6123249a5b8ab5531)
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: Alex_Olijar on September 05, 2011, 09:45:26 PM
LOVE Nicos.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: BubbleBoy on September 05, 2011, 09:47:49 PM
As always, great ideas. However, I hate Heretics and can't bring myself to support any new card ideas for them.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: megamanlan on September 05, 2011, 10:19:17 PM
Nicolations are okay, I'd add 'Protect Ephesus from Opponents' in as well

I actually had a better idea for an Evil Fort, it's called Synogauge of Satan.
I would have Desolate City be for Demons more, like have it be specifically for Demons.

AntiChrist is interesting. But wouldn't he be Orange, considering that he would be counted as a Demon?
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: Alex_Olijar on September 05, 2011, 10:52:10 PM
AntiChrist is interesting. But wouldn't he be Orange, considering that he would be counted as a Demon?

No. Read the passage.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: Irish_Luck on September 05, 2011, 10:56:19 PM
Wouldn't being the son of Satin make someone a demon. He should at least be orange/crimson.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: megamanlan on September 05, 2011, 11:08:52 PM
I do agree, and John mentions that it is a spirit of AntiChrist. Plus Beast of the Sea (who represents the AntiChrist) is a Demon, so why wouldn't the AntiChirst be a Demon?
And the False Prophet is by definition a Demon, (Beast of the Earth.)
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: lightningninja on September 06, 2011, 01:17:41 AM
The passage mentions "Even now there are many antichrists." So, I would say it should be human, as you have it, but also I'd make it generic, since the antichrist that is human that you are talking about is not unique, there are many.

If there were ever a real antichrist card, as in the one who will come and lead, then I'd say make him orange because he is at least very much influenced by demons, much like magicians.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: megamanlan on September 06, 2011, 03:01:53 AM
Actually most Theologans have agreed (that I've heard so far) say that John is talking about the spirit of AntiChrist (which is mentioned elsewhere) Is a demonic spirit, not a person that John mentions in 3 John.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: CJSports on September 06, 2011, 06:04:07 AM
Can we have a Joseph Smith card?  ;)
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: BubbleBoy on September 06, 2011, 12:26:41 PM
If Damsel with Spirit of Divination is part Orange, the Antichrist should definitely be as well.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: megamanlan on September 06, 2011, 12:35:07 PM
Can we have a Joseph Smith card?  ;)

Lol, we could just put him on the False Prophet.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: Minister Polarius on September 06, 2011, 12:55:12 PM
Please read the verse on Antichrist. He is a generic character, and is Antichrist, not The Antichrist.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: BubbleBoy on September 06, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
That verse refers both to the specific Antichrist and the generic antichrists. Your card does not say Generic on it, so I assumed it referred to the specific Antichrist.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: browarod on September 06, 2011, 02:48:39 PM
And yet the picture has a demon whispering in his ear... ::)

I'm fine with him being human, though I do wonder why you made him half gray.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: Minister Polarius on September 06, 2011, 02:55:36 PM
Grey is for False Prophets. Not currently, but I'd like it to be :D

I suppose he could be changed into "The Antichrist" and made part Orange. I think I started out thinking it would represent the big one (hence the WC) and then somewhere along the line decided to make it one of the antichrists, and elements of both made it onto the card.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: browarod on September 06, 2011, 03:02:18 PM
This one seems to work as representing the human generic ones (though perhaps decrease the abilities to make it seem less like THE antichrist? idk) and then you could make an orange or half-orange one for THE Antichrist with 12/12, WC, and some other sweet special ability.

If you do keep them separate, you could also name this one "Antichrists" to further distinguish. :2cents:
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: megamanlan on September 06, 2011, 03:17:34 PM
I'm coming from the entire passage.

Also False Prophets have been redefined, sorry. They are currently treated as Heretics.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: Minister Polarius on September 06, 2011, 03:42:51 PM
That's simply not true, Lan.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: megamanlan on September 06, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
What isn't?
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: Minister Polarius on September 06, 2011, 04:49:53 PM
That false prophets are the same as Heretics.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: megamanlan on September 06, 2011, 05:01:12 PM
Well, they put False Teacher (who would be a False Prophet) as a Heretic only.
I was arguing that the False Characters should be part Gray and got opposition because of it.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: Minister Polarius on September 06, 2011, 10:41:14 PM
False Teacher is not a False Prophet.
Title: Re: Heretics
Post by: JSB23 on September 06, 2011, 11:29:51 PM
Wouldn't being the son of Satin make someone a demon.
I don't think being related to cloth makes someone demonic  ::)
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