Author Topic: Had to chuckle at myself... (Read 5870 times)

The Guardian · « **on:** February 22, 2011, 02:40:18 AM »

So I ran across some notes and comments in an old notebook that I took on the TexP set while playtesting way back when. I didn't do much playtesting with TexP mainly due to a lack of time, but I would submit comments now and then.

A few notes in particular made me chuckle... (To be fair to myself, I made these comments without ever trying the cards in a playtest deck).

"Grapes of Wrath--not good enough for a dominant"

"Mayhem--just another Harvest Time for Multi-player games..."

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2011, 06:13:51 PM »

"Doubt - Possibly needs to be nerfed, too many uses"
"Uzzah - Too costly and situational"
"The Garden Tomb - Too difficult to use, will not see competitive play"

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2011, 06:26:01 PM »

My first thoughts on reading TGT (real thoughts):

Wow, this card needs so much extra work to do anything.

Isildur · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2011, 06:46:39 PM »

It was fun to find some old Priests playtesting cards from back before Teal and Orange were brigades lol

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2011, 10:30:44 PM »

"Gates of Hell--too high of cost."

Gabe · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2011, 11:24:23 PM »

"Thad - this guy is too weak, nobody will play him, let's make it CBI."

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2011, 11:27:18 PM »

We totally didn't say that about him.... I'm pretty sure he was CBI through most of the proccess, we just expanded what his ability targeted near the end.

Isildur · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2011, 11:48:09 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on February 22, 2011, 11:24:23 PM

"Thad - this guy is too weak, nobody will play him, let's make it CBI."

No see thats what happened to Z Temple lol

CJSports · « **Reply #8 on:** March 06, 2011, 03:52:14 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on February 22, 2011, 11:27:18 PM

We totally didn't say that about him.... I'm pretty sure he was CBI through most of the proccess, we just expanded what his ability targeted near the end.

Quote from: Gabe on February 22, 2011, 11:24:23 PM

"Thad - this guy is too weak, nobody will play him, let's make it CBI."

Not sure but I think Gabe's was sarcastic but I could be wrong. This is not sarcastic BTW.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #9 on:** March 06, 2011, 09:04:15 PM »

Gabe's being serious, actually, that's what happened during playtesting.

megamanlan · « **Reply #10 on:** March 06, 2011, 10:36:09 PM »

How can I sign up for playtesting?
Also, All of those are hilarious! GoW not good enough? And Mayhem basically another HT?

crustpope · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2011, 10:37:25 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 06, 2011, 09:04:15 PM

Gabe's being serious, actually, that's what happened during playtesting.

What was the SA before you boosted it into the stratosphere?

Bryon · « **Reply #12 on:** March 06, 2011, 11:33:18 PM »

Thaddeus v 1.0
47. CARD NAME: Thaddeus [Apostles]
CARD TYPE: hero
CLASS:
IDENTIFIERS: Disciple, X = the number of good disciples you have in play
STATS: 8/8
BRIGADE COLOR: Purple
SPECIAL ABILITY: Immune to evil characters with toughness (/*) less than X. May use good N.T. enhancements regardless of brigade.
SCRIPTURE: Luke 6:13-16
FREQUENCY: A
ARTIST: same

Thaddeus v 2.0 - To counter Uzzah:
64. CARD NAME: Thaddeus [Apostles]
CARD TYPE: hero
CLASS:
IDENTIFIERS: Disciple, X = # of your good disciples in play
STATS: 8/8
BRIGADE COLOR: Purple
SPECIAL ABILITY: Disciples, Artifacts, and Lost Souls are immune to evil characters with toughness (/*) less than X.
SCRIPTURE: And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles; Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew, Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes, And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor. Luke 6:13-16
FREQUENCY:
ARTIST: same

Thaddeus v 3.0 - after complaints that no one would use him, we added "cannot be interrupted." Includes reference change to Matthew to match the disciple that bands to him:
64. CARD NAME: Thaddeus [Apostles]
CARD TYPE: hero
CLASS:
IDENTIFIERS: Disciple, X = # of your good disciples in play
STATS: 8/8
BRIGADE COLOR: Purple
SPECIAL ABILITY: Protect Neutral cards, heroes, and all your cards from evil characters with toughness (/*) X or less. Cannot be interrupted.
Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Matthew 10:2-3
FREQUENCY:
ARTIST: same

Thaddeus v4.0 - the step too far:
64. CARD NAME: Thaddeus [Apostles]
CARD TYPE: hero
CLASS:
IDENTIFIERS: Disciple, X = # of your good disciples in play
STATS: 8/8
BRIGADE COLOR: Purple
SPECIAL ABILITY: Protect all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness (/*) X or less. Cannot be interrupted.
SCRIPTURE: Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Matthew 10:2-3
FREQUENCY:
ARTIST: new art – Georges de la Tour

crustpope · « **Reply #13 on:** March 06, 2011, 11:51:38 PM »

Yeah, I think V3.0 would have been the happy medium. As it is, Thaddeus is a huge late game problem with few answers.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2011, 12:14:42 AM »

I thought that at one point I'd suggested "All cards not in battle" to be protected, to shorten the ability considerably. I think it was between V3 and V4.

It's basically what it is anyway.

Bryon · « **Reply #15 on:** March 07, 2011, 12:22:54 AM »

I don't see heroes as "huge late game problems." Heroes are supposed to win in the late game. But I agree that Thaddeus is too strong even in midgame if cards fall right. That is the balance problem with him. Prepare for a few answers next set.

ECs that you can't ever beat, insurmountable site lock, the inability to attack for the rest of the game, lots of timed out games... THOSE are the "huge problems" if they happen often.

crustpope · « **Reply #16 on:** March 07, 2011, 12:41:50 AM »

Quote from: Bryon on March 07, 2011, 12:22:54 AM

...insurmountable site lock,...

Which begs the question....what were you all thinking when you made cesarea Philipi?

I dont have a problem with any of the other sites, even Nazereth which attacks my beloved ANB decks. But there are not enough counters to Cesarea philipi, and you have to play them within only a few brigades. This really makes Site lock and a NT defense for that matter, very powerful.

I really dont like the trend of sites becoming mini fortresses. often now people put the sites in with no intention of even using them as sites (like Golgotha) or just using them as a site for secondary reasons. I think the SA on a site should be related to the purpose of a site which is to contain or restrict acess to LS's.

megamanlan · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2011, 12:50:26 AM »

I'd love a card that would negate Site access...

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2011, 12:52:54 AM »

How does CP help site lock? It hurt it, imo.... they can't just land dispute my access sites anymore. They'll have to add Benedictus or something.

crustpope · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:14:53 AM »

I cant d/c a occupied site that one black demon, I cant take an access site via Jacobs dream, I cant d/c two sites and a Kingdoms with Ehud and vengeance, I cant do a lot of the things I would normally do to someone who is running a site lock against me. True CP does protect my access site in my teritory which does limit them somewhat, but they can attack it in battle which there are several nice ways to do that.

I think CP did a lot more to help site lock than hurt it. If I am facing CP in a site deck, My job just got a whole lot tougher, especially if they are playing heritics and NT LS's

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #20 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:27:38 AM »

Why are you playing Jacob's Dream outside of booster?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #21 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:14:43 PM »

Can't we go back to where everyone only complained about Golgatha?

crustpope · « **Reply #22 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:21:25 PM »

of all the di cards, Golgotha is probably the least broken now. I rank Cesarea Philipi, Thad and Fishing boat above golgotha

SomeKittens · « **Reply #23 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:26:08 PM »

Thad is pretty broken. Of those three, I would say he's the most. I thought Boat was bad, but then I figured out I could only put guys in there in Prep. Boat + Pentecost+ WoS is entertaining, but not OP'd

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #24 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:39:48 PM »

Thad>HT>CP>Boat>Manny

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Author Topic: Had to chuckle at myself... (Read 5870 times)

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